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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felnar" data-source="post: 2218206" data-attributes="member: 30971">all of these manuvers involve moving into the defenders square, but they all treat it differently, and i'm wondering why yes, i was just mentioning that initiating the grapple already provoked an AoO from the defender before the movement takes place. So the grappler still provokes an AoO from everyone that threathen them. i dont agree with you. the PHB SRD says all of this is before the the opposed strength check is even discussed, so it seems pretty clear to me that the AoOs from entering the defenders square have this 25% chance. But i still dont understand why the overrun or grapple manuvers dont have similar miss chances. it makes sense that it'd be like all other forms of movement. But the overrun description specifically says it "provokes an AoO from the defender", whereas the other manuvers specifically say "provokes an attack of opportunity from each opponent that threatens you". Why is overrun decribed differently if it's not meant to be different?  Why shouldnt these similar manuvers all use the same game mechanics? - Felnar</blockquote>