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<blockquote data-quote="Synchronicity" data-source="post: 4849570" data-attributes="member: 10070"><p>I think the question is slightly too simple, to be honest. The groups I've played with have never been overshadowed by hyper-competent NPCs, but we've never *met* hypercompetent NPCs. Of course we've encountered people above our power level, people who are more capable that us in certain areas, but we've never met anyone who suffers from the perceived flaw of Elminster; namely, not only is he better than you at the thing you're currently doing, he's better than you at *everything*. I think there's a line between 'NPC who is higher level than you, in your line of work, and thus is better than you at the present time' and 'NPC who will always be higher level than you, and will always be better than you at everything in the history of the universe, ever.' If I met somebody from the former category, as a player, I wouldn't bear them any ill will. The latter category, on the other hand..</p><p></p><p>Basically, trying to clarify myself here; the groups I've played with haven't ever encountered Elminster, or any of the characters accused of being these overshadowing canon NPCs, so I think if I answered 'no' to this poll, it would be disingenuous. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I totally agree on your point about the 'concerns of the mighty'; I think one of the reasons Elminster and other Forgotten Realms NPCs get so much flak is because their reasons for not helping out are so vaguely and poorly defined. Their excuses sound exactly like the ecuses of some novice GM, trying to invent a reason why Beef Rockfist, mighty warrior, doesn't have time to stop an orc invasion.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and on the Eberron thing, I think it says good things about the thought the creator put into the 'godlike NPC' problem that the 2 highest level divine casters in the world (IIRC) are a 16 year old girl who's only that powerful inside a specific building, and an utterly immobile tree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Synchronicity, post: 4849570, member: 10070"] I think the question is slightly too simple, to be honest. The groups I've played with have never been overshadowed by hyper-competent NPCs, but we've never *met* hypercompetent NPCs. Of course we've encountered people above our power level, people who are more capable that us in certain areas, but we've never met anyone who suffers from the perceived flaw of Elminster; namely, not only is he better than you at the thing you're currently doing, he's better than you at *everything*. I think there's a line between 'NPC who is higher level than you, in your line of work, and thus is better than you at the present time' and 'NPC who will always be higher level than you, and will always be better than you at everything in the history of the universe, ever.' If I met somebody from the former category, as a player, I wouldn't bear them any ill will. The latter category, on the other hand.. Basically, trying to clarify myself here; the groups I've played with haven't ever encountered Elminster, or any of the characters accused of being these overshadowing canon NPCs, so I think if I answered 'no' to this poll, it would be disingenuous. I totally agree on your point about the 'concerns of the mighty'; I think one of the reasons Elminster and other Forgotten Realms NPCs get so much flak is because their reasons for not helping out are so vaguely and poorly defined. Their excuses sound exactly like the ecuses of some novice GM, trying to invent a reason why Beef Rockfist, mighty warrior, doesn't have time to stop an orc invasion. Oh, and on the Eberron thing, I think it says good things about the thought the creator put into the 'godlike NPC' problem that the 2 highest level divine casters in the world (IIRC) are a 16 year old girl who's only that powerful inside a specific building, and an utterly immobile tree. [/QUOTE]
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