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<blockquote data-quote="Dross" data-source="post: 8091797" data-attributes="member: 33802"><p>But if it flows naturally for the narrative of the game?</p><p>Lets try this:</p><p>Fire Mage Guy has been adventuring for a while and made an enemy of a cult. From encounters where there have been survivors the cult learns that FMG prefers fire.</p><p>Cult decides to kill FMG to prevent him from interfering anymore. They can either</p><p>1) cast <em>protection from elements: fire</em> to increase their chances, or </p><p>2) just attack FMG and hope for the best.</p><p></p><p>In post 33 you said that if a PC specialises in something (fire in this case) and the DM has something that is resistant/immune/outside the specialisation, it is a "gotcha." The above scenario seems perfectly logical to me, i would expect it if playing FMG myself (and i would not need the DM to say: <em>in the course of the adventure someone may learn of your specialisation and try to counter it</em>. I would expect it). I also don't see it as a grid-based-war game, and i don't see it as the DM thinking FMG is not appropriate for the game.</p><p></p><p>PCs can cast <em>protection from elements: fire</em> to give them a better chance against a red dragon if they know they are going to be facing one (hhhhmmmm, I wonder, do you consider this a gotcha by the players v the DM?).</p><p></p><p>Is #1 (or the scenario) a gotcha, or can you as DM only do #2 (or not have the cult proactively try to stop FMG)?</p><p></p><p>The 2 bolded parts of the second quote is the first time I've seen where you have added that anything outside the specialisation isn't a PvP/DM gotcha/teach them a lesson not to specialise (honestly, if I've missed it which post is it in?).</p><p></p><p>Fire resist/immune v FMG isn't automatically PvP/DM gotcha/teach a lesson. It may be just a natural outcome of what has happened. The bolded+italicised implies you agree that not all instances are automatically a gotcha. Is that the case?</p><p></p><p>I would think that a DM gotcha would be having most enemies be fire immune v FMG even with no prior knowledge of FMG, but I haven't seen that touted here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dross, post: 8091797, member: 33802"] But if it flows naturally for the narrative of the game? Lets try this: Fire Mage Guy has been adventuring for a while and made an enemy of a cult. From encounters where there have been survivors the cult learns that FMG prefers fire. Cult decides to kill FMG to prevent him from interfering anymore. They can either 1) cast [I]protection from elements: fire[/I] to increase their chances, or 2) just attack FMG and hope for the best. In post 33 you said that if a PC specialises in something (fire in this case) and the DM has something that is resistant/immune/outside the specialisation, it is a "gotcha." The above scenario seems perfectly logical to me, i would expect it if playing FMG myself (and i would not need the DM to say: [I]in the course of the adventure someone may learn of your specialisation and try to counter it[/I]. I would expect it). I also don't see it as a grid-based-war game, and i don't see it as the DM thinking FMG is not appropriate for the game. PCs can cast [I]protection from elements: fire[/I] to give them a better chance against a red dragon if they know they are going to be facing one (hhhhmmmm, I wonder, do you consider this a gotcha by the players v the DM?). Is #1 (or the scenario) a gotcha, or can you as DM only do #2 (or not have the cult proactively try to stop FMG)? The 2 bolded parts of the second quote is the first time I've seen where you have added that anything outside the specialisation isn't a PvP/DM gotcha/teach them a lesson not to specialise (honestly, if I've missed it which post is it in?). Fire resist/immune v FMG isn't automatically PvP/DM gotcha/teach a lesson. It may be just a natural outcome of what has happened. The bolded+italicised implies you agree that not all instances are automatically a gotcha. Is that the case? I would think that a DM gotcha would be having most enemies be fire immune v FMG even with no prior knowledge of FMG, but I haven't seen that touted here. [/QUOTE]
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