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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6621644" data-attributes="member: 6786252">Rangers are skirmishers, and they get medium armor.&nbsp; Trying to split the difference between warrior and skirmisher is just one of semantics.&nbsp;&nbsp; They're a melee weapon class, and using the term warrior for that is acceptable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Trying to say its not is just debating a definition that has nothing to do with the meat of the argument.&nbsp;&nbsp; So, I don't think it matters.&nbsp; Its a front line melee person.&nbsp; The Fiend Blade especially is made to stand in front, take hits, and magical counter attacks (Armor of Agythis, Hellish Rebuke, Flame Shield).&nbsp;&nbsp; The Fey Blade is more of a mobility, weave in-and-out type.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's the beauty of the subclass system - you can have multiple builds depending on your choices.&nbsp;&nbsp; So, warrior, skirmisher, they are all that and more, depending on the choices you make.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't exclude one one or the other - that misses the point.&nbsp;While the warlock does require a better understanding, it DOES need mechanical improvements.&nbsp;&nbsp; You shouldn't be required to multi-class or take feats, or start with specific races, to not have a glaring flaw in the system.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Its not even that its less effective, its that there are issues, like being forced to rely on Concentration spells for a part of the damage curse in melee (part of the design, like Ranger), being MAD, lack of good equipment options.Its not that you are going to be a less effective melee combatant than an eldritch blaster, its that you won't be an effective melee combatant at all without at least some optimization and system mastery.&nbsp; That's the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp; There's a lot of investment to reach average, to be competitive with the someone else being casual.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 6621644, member: 6786252"] Rangers are skirmishers, and they get medium armor. Trying to split the difference between warrior and skirmisher is just one of semantics. They're a melee weapon class, and using the term warrior for that is acceptable. Trying to say its not is just debating a definition that has nothing to do with the meat of the argument. So, I don't think it matters. Its a front line melee person. The Fiend Blade especially is made to stand in front, take hits, and magical counter attacks (Armor of Agythis, Hellish Rebuke, Flame Shield). The Fey Blade is more of a mobility, weave in-and-out type. That's the beauty of the subclass system - you can have multiple builds depending on your choices. So, warrior, skirmisher, they are all that and more, depending on the choices you make. You can't exclude one one or the other - that misses the point. While the warlock does require a better understanding, it DOES need mechanical improvements. You shouldn't be required to multi-class or take feats, or start with specific races, to not have a glaring flaw in the system. Its not even that its less effective, its that there are issues, like being forced to rely on Concentration spells for a part of the damage curse in melee (part of the design, like Ranger), being MAD, lack of good equipment options. Its not that you are going to be a less effective melee combatant than an eldritch blaster, its that you won't be an effective melee combatant at all without at least some optimization and system mastery. That's the problem. There's a lot of investment to reach average, to be competitive with the someone else being casual. [/QUOTE]

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