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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6623353" data-attributes="member: 6786252">See, I don't consider it to be an opportunity.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think its a requirement.&nbsp; If all you wanted was the ability to occasionally swing a weapon when they came in close, you'd take Book with the shillelagh cantrip.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Perhaps, but I did phrase it as an opinion, not hard fact.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is arguable.&nbsp;&nbsp; But I don't think that we're in good standing here when its just minor variations in play.&nbsp; I also think that assuming that you're going to be eldritch blasting is a mistake, because Eldritch Blast is actually not a required pick for the class.&nbsp;&nbsp; Its &quot;optimal&quot; but I think the fact its still an option instead of core feature is telling.&nbsp;Yes.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't think its actually necessary, because I feel that extra push of damage is what Hex is for.&nbsp; We know that Hunter Mark is a critical feature of the Ranger damage because of the one Unearthed Arcana article, so I feel that we have to look at the warlock equivalent similarly.&nbsp;&nbsp; In all truth, the minor boosts from a FS aren't the core issues.&nbsp; Damage is slightly lower for low levels, but its not too bad.&nbsp; Its the high levels that are an issue.&nbsp;You're only guessing, not stating fact here.&nbsp;&nbsp; Chain is very confusing with how the familiar works - should it be used in combat like the beast companion?&nbsp; Or are you playing just like a Book with a find familiar ritual?&nbsp;&nbsp; Its debatable on the intent there, because it doesn't seem to work out.&nbsp;&nbsp; There's too many questions to say that two of three are similar, let alone that the third path MUST be similar as well.&nbsp;&nbsp; Six of eight cleric domains attack with weapons.&nbsp;&nbsp; Two are clearly pure casters.&nbsp;&nbsp; Obviously, its possible to for a minority of the subclasses to make the different variations from the majority options.&nbsp; &nbsp;If the options didn't exist, we'd still have people asking for a hexblade.&nbsp;&nbsp; While I would be patient for it, I would want it to come up.&nbsp; I give them strong props for what they did; it was bold, if in need of more play testing, feedback, and balancing.&nbsp; And I suspect that &quot;people&quot; wouldn't be happy if it was a 4e warlock, because you'd still have those who wanted just the 3e warlock.&nbsp;&nbsp; This way, a book'lock with constant short rests actually can be a strong 4e style spell caster, while the few short rests reverts to a more 3e style.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 6623353, member: 6786252"] See, I don't consider it to be an opportunity. I think its a requirement. If all you wanted was the ability to occasionally swing a weapon when they came in close, you'd take Book with the shillelagh cantrip. Perhaps, but I did phrase it as an opinion, not hard fact. It is arguable. But I don't think that we're in good standing here when its just minor variations in play. I also think that assuming that you're going to be eldritch blasting is a mistake, because Eldritch Blast is actually not a required pick for the class. Its "optimal" but I think the fact its still an option instead of core feature is telling. Yes. I don't think its actually necessary, because I feel that extra push of damage is what [I]Hex[/I] is for. We know that Hunter Mark is a critical feature of the Ranger damage because of the one Unearthed Arcana article, so I feel that we have to look at the warlock equivalent similarly. In all truth, the minor boosts from a FS aren't the core issues. Damage is slightly lower for low levels, but its not too bad. Its the high levels that are an issue. You're only guessing, not stating fact here. Chain is very confusing with how the familiar works - should it be used in combat like the beast companion? Or are you playing just like a Book with a find familiar ritual? Its debatable on the intent there, because it doesn't seem to work out. There's too many questions to say that two of three are similar, let alone that the third path MUST be similar as well. Six of eight cleric domains attack with weapons. Two are clearly pure casters. Obviously, its possible to for a minority of the subclasses to make the different variations from the majority options. If the options didn't exist, we'd still have people asking for a hexblade. While I would be patient for it, I would want it to come up. I give them strong props for what they did; it was bold, if in need of more play testing, feedback, and balancing. And I suspect that "people" wouldn't be happy if it was a 4e warlock, because you'd still have those who wanted just the 3e warlock. This way, a book'lock with constant short rests actually can be a strong 4e style spell caster, while the few short rests reverts to a more 3e style. [/QUOTE]

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