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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9856065" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>When I reply to you I will, but what you quoted was not a reply to you (unless you are posting by two different names)</p><p></p><p>As for what you said on this particular post:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No it isn't. As a matter of fact if you are building a highly-optimsed high damage character I would say it is rare that it would be good to focus on Eldritch Blast in 2024.</p><p></p><p>Putting aside a multiclass for a minute; a 3rd level Warlock with Agonizing Eldritch Blast is going to do 8.5 damage and attacks with disadvantage if he uses EB against targets within 5 feet. The same Warlock taking Agonizing Truestrike can do 10.5 DPR at range with a Light Crossbow and 13 DPR with a Greatsword in Melee. If you can use TCE Agonizing Green Flame Blade it is 14 damage to one target and 10 damage to a second. This gap gets larger as you gain more levels and you pick up Thirsting Blade and other invocations. I am not saying Eldritch Blast is bad, it is a fine Cantrip and fallback on a controller or versatile Warlock build, but it is not the way to go in the 2024 rules if you are looking for high damage on a Warlock</p><p></p><p>Make it a 2nd level Warlock/1st level Paladin and you get mastery on top of that DPR while having two 1st level spell slots, lay on hands, more hit points, a wider spell selection and armor.</p><p></p><p>Add the familiar example to this and the level 2 Warlock/1 Paladin is doing 6.5 damage with a shortsword and dueling, getting the Vex property on his attacks and then letting a Sphinx attack with the nick property of the scimitar he doesn't even have to own for another 12.5 damage, more than doubling the damage output of EB/AB while also getting mastery to boot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would they have the two weapon fighting style feat when they will not be attacking with a Light Weapon?</p><p></p><p>I think you would want Paladin in this, not Fighter. But if you went Fighter or if you went 2 levels of Paladin to get a fighting style you would get dueling for high damage not two weapon fighting.</p><p></p><p>In terms of combat power the only thing that is not optimal with this exploit attempt is choosing a familiar that attacks at all. The most powerful familiar in combat is the Pseudodragon because of its ability to sting people and do 5 damage and make them unconscious. Your Warlock does not have to give up anything to do that because it is an ability not an attack. The Pseudodragon can do it at will and in most cases that is going to be more powerful than any of the Familiar attacks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9856065, member: 7030563"] When I reply to you I will, but what you quoted was not a reply to you (unless you are posting by two different names) As for what you said on this particular post: No it isn't. As a matter of fact if you are building a highly-optimsed high damage character I would say it is rare that it would be good to focus on Eldritch Blast in 2024. Putting aside a multiclass for a minute; a 3rd level Warlock with Agonizing Eldritch Blast is going to do 8.5 damage and attacks with disadvantage if he uses EB against targets within 5 feet. The same Warlock taking Agonizing Truestrike can do 10.5 DPR at range with a Light Crossbow and 13 DPR with a Greatsword in Melee. If you can use TCE Agonizing Green Flame Blade it is 14 damage to one target and 10 damage to a second. This gap gets larger as you gain more levels and you pick up Thirsting Blade and other invocations. I am not saying Eldritch Blast is bad, it is a fine Cantrip and fallback on a controller or versatile Warlock build, but it is not the way to go in the 2024 rules if you are looking for high damage on a Warlock Make it a 2nd level Warlock/1st level Paladin and you get mastery on top of that DPR while having two 1st level spell slots, lay on hands, more hit points, a wider spell selection and armor. Add the familiar example to this and the level 2 Warlock/1 Paladin is doing 6.5 damage with a shortsword and dueling, getting the Vex property on his attacks and then letting a Sphinx attack with the nick property of the scimitar he doesn't even have to own for another 12.5 damage, more than doubling the damage output of EB/AB while also getting mastery to boot. Why would they have the two weapon fighting style feat when they will not be attacking with a Light Weapon? I think you would want Paladin in this, not Fighter. But if you went Fighter or if you went 2 levels of Paladin to get a fighting style you would get dueling for high damage not two weapon fighting. In terms of combat power the only thing that is not optimal with this exploit attempt is choosing a familiar that attacks at all. The most powerful familiar in combat is the Pseudodragon because of its ability to sting people and do 5 damage and make them unconscious. Your Warlock does not have to give up anything to do that because it is an ability not an attack. The Pseudodragon can do it at will and in most cases that is going to be more powerful than any of the Familiar attacks. [/QUOTE]
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