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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bert1000" data-source="post: 6340650" data-attributes="member: 29013">Great topic!I am starting a 4e game soon and want to encourage this sort of stunting. I know one player had a 4e experience of 'people staring at their power lists' too much instead of thinking out side the box, so I have decided to give everyone an extra encounter and daily power as follows:1) an encounter power called 'do something cool'. "You do something cool!   Shoot the chain to send the chandelier flying down, entangle the villain in his huge cloak, use your arcane power to make the magic pool burn like acid.   Have fun with it!"Normally, the power requires playing off something specific to the environment, enemy, or situation.   Skill check for non attacks at medium DC.   Level + 5 vs. AC, Level +3 vs. NADs for direct attacks.   Can use attack bonus for powers if higher and relevant to the improvised attack (e.g., sliding down a staircase = DEX). Normally does: * Medium Damage = X. * Or lesser dmg with effect or area attack2) create a daily power called 'do something awesome'. Same as #1 except for things that are really awesome, not just kinda cool.Normally does: * High Damage = X. * Or lesser dmg with effect or area attack_________________________________Couple questions:a) Have you figured out a rough "weight" for effects?   E.g., 1d8 less damage for prone, etc.b)What are the cut offs you use for different effects if any?  E.g., can't stun until paragon tier, etc.   I guess if you know that Stun = say 5d8 of damage then that would give you the cut off too.c) I don't want Arcane/Religion/Nature spell casters to be able to just add another encounter and daily power to the list that allows them to do any kind of flexible magic effect.   This would seem to give them a big advantage over the athletics /acrobatic stunter which needs to use the specific circumstances more.   How do you handle this?   I think I will require some kind of magical source to be present already for this to work?   E.g., you can manipulate a magic pool or gate with arcane, feed off the energy of a supernatural grave yard with religion, talk to the old, old trees with nature, etc.d) When it's an attack, do you require both a skill check and an attack roll?   This would seem to add more difficulty to the action than I want.   Unless the skill check is trivially easy (but then why have it?)?   I want to make "do something cool" equal or slightly better than normal encounter powers and "do something awesome" equal or slightly better than normal dailies.I figure the encounter and daily distinction is fairly artificial and meta but I don't really care.   If people are stunting all the time, then why bother using 4e and the powers system at all?   This method at least puts the improv element front and center next to the other powers AND makes the option as good if not better than regular powers.  You just can't do it constantly.It would be great to get your experience on the value of "effects"/area attack vs. damage.   That seems like the trickiest part and I don't have the time to go and audit existing powers for this kind of info.</blockquote>

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