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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6311132" data-attributes="member: 6689464">I don't particularly like to burst anybody's bubble, but that table belongs to no wild mage, there is no wild mage there, that is a wild SORCERER, important detail, or insignificant in the eye of the beholder, but again it makes it way more flexible that with a classical wild mage. With a wild mage it is very obvious the character is a loon, because nobody becomes an embodiment of chaos on purpose unless he or she is pretty chaotic already. With a wild sorcerer on the other hand  thing are more flexible, unlike a wizard, a sorcerer doesn't necessarily choses to be like that, which opens up the possibility of having a deadly serious and brooding character who is only a reluctant bringer of chaos and wouldn't be out of place in more serious games. Which brings me to the following point, we all need to remain open-minded to new character concepts, and double for DMs. Of course in home games DMs can get away with removing, banning or changing stuff, such is the wonder of having a roleplaying group, but not everybody is as lucky and such negativity can be discouraging. Until yesterday I was pretty sure I was buying into fifth edition, only being alert for any possible shortcomings in the edition structure alone that would mean I rather delay adopting it. In other words just awaiting judgement to plan about my own buying schedule. But after reading all of the negativity in here, I'm discouraged, and it isn't because I'm a 'whinner', but my interest in the new edition is for all of those things that are "new school", those that don't exist in the basic game and that really spark my imagination, but if every 5e DM online and in organised play is going to approach the game with such a reduced conception and is going to be fully adamant about not leaving in anything beyond the sacred four, then I see no point on buying a phb if all I'll be able to use will be the basic rules, and if I'm going to be limited to just the most basic classes, then I'm better off staying with 2e, at least that way while I won't get to plag sorcers warlocks or barbarians, I won't have to negotiate with a wall everytime I want to play a paladin, gnome or bard either. Which also means now I'm going to postpone any plans to get the books until late into the edition, and at that point I will be deciding if it is worth the effort to get into the edition at all, and it won't be in the edition's intrinsic merits,but rather on how friendly or hostile the community is by then. And this saddens me, because I was pretty much in the bandwagon, and to me it was only a matter of whether to buy the phb in September and get the mm next year or wait a year and get the trinity while only getting by with the box and the basic game on the time being. And this isn't an overreaction, when you don't have a group you lack negotiation power, you are at the whim of whoever decides to host a game and give you a spot, if you don't like the status quo there are dozens of other players who will gladly take that place, such is life. It doesn't matter if the new edition has the best bard, sorcerer and warlock and if it provides an unmatched ability to custimize characters never seen before, if I can never get to play anything beyond the basix game because all of the DMs available are so close minded and "purist" then there is little point on bothering buying anything or moving on to the edition. 2e may lack character options I've come to love, PF may not be my cup of tea and 4e is clunky to play over the internet, but at least in the communities I frequent I know waht to expect and I don't have to buy anything new,Edit I started writing this two hours and many pages ago, as suchit doesn't reflect the current status of the thread</blockquote>

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