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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4118115" data-attributes="member: 957">You know what has been old for quite some time?&nbsp; The persistent dismissing of other people's opinions as soemhow &quot;wrong&quot;.&nbsp; Anyone who is critical of 4e is labeled a &quot;hater&quot;, but that gets passed off a just a convinent handle.&nbsp; And yet &quot;boardgame&quot; is required to be absolute truth.&nbsp; The reality remains that relative to 3E the game has moved toward a more gamist set up and feels (relatively) more like a board game than what we want.&nbsp; So our standards are not the same as yours.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; But if you want to support 4e, and particularly as someone who is viewed as connected to WotC, being arrogantly dismissive of other people's views is a pretty dumb way to go about it.&nbsp; Designers have flat out stated that the system shifts to a more gamist approach.&nbsp; If you like it that way then good for you.&nbsp; But it isn't remotely &quot;nonsense&quot; that many of us strongly don't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 4118115, member: 957"] You know what has been old for quite some time? The persistent dismissing of other people's opinions as soemhow "wrong". Anyone who is critical of 4e is labeled a "hater", but that gets passed off a just a convinent handle. And yet "boardgame" is required to be absolute truth. The reality remains that relative to 3E the game has moved toward a more gamist set up and feels (relatively) more like a board game than what we want. So our standards are not the same as yours. Fine. But if you want to support 4e, and particularly as someone who is viewed as connected to WotC, being arrogantly dismissive of other people's views is a pretty dumb way to go about it. Designers have flat out stated that the system shifts to a more gamist approach. If you like it that way then good for you. But it isn't remotely "nonsense" that many of us strongly don't. [/QUOTE]

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