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<blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4118343" data-attributes="member: 1054"><p>I don't.</p><p></p><p>I have issues with very specific design decisions/paradigm shifts in 4e. I think WOTC is misreading the market, to their (and the hobby's) detriment. I think once the "Ooo new shiny!" wears off, 4e will sell more poorly, over time, than 3e did year-by-year. I do not think the new players the game design is intended to attract exist in sufficient numbers to counter the old players who will, for whatever reason, not upgrade. Time and sales figures will tell.</p><p></p><p>But I have no beef with WOTC. I don't get into the "Oooh, they're big, I hate them" 20-something hipster bullcrap. I buy products, not companies. I was very happy with 3.5 and defended WOTC against charges of "greed", because the updates were clearly necessary and the game was better for them -- and besides, the SRD was free. </p><p></p><p>If WOTC published a 4e that was more in line with what I wanted -- a game that still felt like 3x but polished and enhanced -- I'd be supporting it. I don't like 4e because it kills a few too many sacred cows -- every class following the exact same power structure? Boring. Hard-coded 'roles' so that every class concept has to be pounded into one of four slots? Also boring. Different systems for characters and monsters? A throwback to 1e, and not in a good way. Simplified skill lists? Identical attack/save progressions? No non-combat (Craft, Profession, Perform) skills? All not to my taste. I do not want a party of clones, even if 'the math' works and no one ever has to feel that, for the space of one encounter, they're not the very bestest in the whole wide world. Keep the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron" target="_blank">Handicapper General</a> out of my fantasy worlds, please.</p><p></p><p>If WOTC puts out products I like/want, I will buy them. Hell, I'm buying 4e -- I want to see the whole game in full, and besides, I'm a collector. Who knows? I may even end up liking it when I see it all put together and test it in play, but I'm not really counting on it. Most of the ideas I like about it can be added to 3x more easily than the things I don't like about it can be fixed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lizard, post: 4118343, member: 1054"] I don't. I have issues with very specific design decisions/paradigm shifts in 4e. I think WOTC is misreading the market, to their (and the hobby's) detriment. I think once the "Ooo new shiny!" wears off, 4e will sell more poorly, over time, than 3e did year-by-year. I do not think the new players the game design is intended to attract exist in sufficient numbers to counter the old players who will, for whatever reason, not upgrade. Time and sales figures will tell. But I have no beef with WOTC. I don't get into the "Oooh, they're big, I hate them" 20-something hipster bullcrap. I buy products, not companies. I was very happy with 3.5 and defended WOTC against charges of "greed", because the updates were clearly necessary and the game was better for them -- and besides, the SRD was free. If WOTC published a 4e that was more in line with what I wanted -- a game that still felt like 3x but polished and enhanced -- I'd be supporting it. I don't like 4e because it kills a few too many sacred cows -- every class following the exact same power structure? Boring. Hard-coded 'roles' so that every class concept has to be pounded into one of four slots? Also boring. Different systems for characters and monsters? A throwback to 1e, and not in a good way. Simplified skill lists? Identical attack/save progressions? No non-combat (Craft, Profession, Perform) skills? All not to my taste. I do not want a party of clones, even if 'the math' works and no one ever has to feel that, for the space of one encounter, they're not the very bestest in the whole wide world. Keep the [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron]Handicapper General[/URL] out of my fantasy worlds, please. If WOTC puts out products I like/want, I will buy them. Hell, I'm buying 4e -- I want to see the whole game in full, and besides, I'm a collector. Who knows? I may even end up liking it when I see it all put together and test it in play, but I'm not really counting on it. Most of the ideas I like about it can be added to 3x more easily than the things I don't like about it can be fixed. [/QUOTE]
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