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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5646113" data-attributes="member: 957">We have had this conversation before.You are still dreaming.I can lean over from where I'm sitting at this desk and see the GURPS books and Warhammer books I bought before PF was announced.&nbsp; I was also working with Wulf Ratbane on some of his ideas that eventually became Trailblazer.&nbsp; I was exploring options.&nbsp; But I knew that I had several options that blew 4E out of the water.&nbsp; The chance that I would be playing 4E now is about nil.And, as I've said before, I think 4E is pretty ok.&nbsp; It is just that there are so MANY significantly better options out there that pretty ok doesn't cut it.&nbsp; But for my &quot;pretty ok&quot; there are tons of &quot;4E sucks&quot; folks out there.&nbsp; You should hear the other folks I game with talk, they would be banned from here is a heartbeat.The people who want to play 4E ARE playing 4E.&nbsp; Nothing is stopping them.&nbsp; If they are playing PF and not 4E, it is because they think PF is a better game.&nbsp; (And don't tell me they are playing PF because their friends insist.&nbsp; That logic supports the more popular game.&nbsp; If 75% prefer A and 25% prefer B, the B fans &quot;forced&quot; to play A will greatly outnumber the A fans forced to play B.)If 4E was hugely popular then Paizo would have had no choice but to convert or go into something else completely.&nbsp; Lack of conversion to 4E is entirely the fault of 4E.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5646113, member: 957"] We have had this conversation before. You are still dreaming. I can lean over from where I'm sitting at this desk and see the GURPS books and Warhammer books I bought before PF was announced. I was also working with Wulf Ratbane on some of his ideas that eventually became Trailblazer. I was exploring options. But I knew that I had several options that blew 4E out of the water. The chance that I would be playing 4E now is about nil. And, as I've said before, I think 4E is pretty ok. It is just that there are so MANY significantly better options out there that pretty ok doesn't cut it. But for my "pretty ok" there are tons of "4E sucks" folks out there. You should hear the other folks I game with talk, they would be banned from here is a heartbeat. The people who want to play 4E ARE playing 4E. Nothing is stopping them. If they are playing PF and not 4E, it is because they think PF is a better game. (And don't tell me they are playing PF because their friends insist. That logic supports the more popular game. If 75% prefer A and 25% prefer B, the B fans "forced" to play A will greatly outnumber the A fans forced to play B.) If 4E was hugely popular then Paizo would have had no choice but to convert or go into something else completely. Lack of conversion to 4E is entirely the fault of 4E. [/QUOTE]

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