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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 7736534" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>Pathfinder 'fixed' a lot of issues that 3.5E had acquired over time. Not only that, they kept releasing adventure paths, adventures, character options, world expansions, monster books, etc. PF is certainly more then 3.55!</p><p></p><p>Based on the information available (on the Paizo site) they are not so much copying 5.0 as evolving PF to a version PF2, sure there will be things in common, but also a lot of divergence. The best example is the THREE actions per turn in PF2. They still have a common ancestry in 3.5. And while WotC designed 3.0, TSR designed 1.0/2.0, which was based on Chainmail by Gary Gygax and Jeff Perren... Your point being?</p><p></p><p>As for Dragon/Dungeon, Paizo did it from 2002-2007, after that the print publication ended. Many of the people working at Paizo on both magazines were already working on the magazines previously or were working on D&D products. It was WotCs attempt at outsourcing an unstable product. Compared to the previous incarnations the digital version of Dragon/Dungeon wasn't very good... But that could be my dislike for 4.0 talking, while mechanically superior to 3.5 and PF, fluff and inspiration wise it had much in common with a sterilized petri dish... Dragon+ is just... Ugh!</p><p></p><p>Anyone who says 15+ years of D&D 3E, didn't actually make the whole ride. Everything 3.0 went out the window after 3.5 was released. While Pathfinder made conversions possible to and from 3.5, it was eventually so much work that everyone shelved out serious money for 3.5 to PF versions of the product they already owned in 3.5. I suspect that many will do the same for PF2.</p><p></p><p>As for Paizo supporting both PF1 and PF2, I seriously doubt that. With any product there is natural course where old customers stop being customers and new customers arrive, not to mention old customers possibly returning. Generally customers that are die hard 'old edition' users were also not core PF users, because if that was true they would have stayed with 3.5 (or older editions).</p><p></p><p>I suspect that Paizo can collect a TON of good information on what their customers think of their PF2 playtest and relate that quite well to their sales. Paizo does a lot of direct sales, both in physical products as in digital products... When a customer that played the digital playtest rules is negative about it and only got the PF1 pdfs through a $15 Humble Bundle (of which Paizo only saw ~$10), then it weighs a lot less then the positive opinion of a customer that has a subscription running through the Paizo store (and vice versa). WotC did almost NO direct sales, didn't do a playtest with 4.0, and wound up with a pretty big failure they corrected in 5.0. As PF will be 10 years old by the time it's officially released, that's longer then ANY version of D&D ever. That level of support is what I appreciate in a company, I'm curious what they'll do with PF2...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 7736534, member: 725"] Pathfinder 'fixed' a lot of issues that 3.5E had acquired over time. Not only that, they kept releasing adventure paths, adventures, character options, world expansions, monster books, etc. PF is certainly more then 3.55! Based on the information available (on the Paizo site) they are not so much copying 5.0 as evolving PF to a version PF2, sure there will be things in common, but also a lot of divergence. The best example is the THREE actions per turn in PF2. They still have a common ancestry in 3.5. And while WotC designed 3.0, TSR designed 1.0/2.0, which was based on Chainmail by Gary Gygax and Jeff Perren... Your point being? As for Dragon/Dungeon, Paizo did it from 2002-2007, after that the print publication ended. Many of the people working at Paizo on both magazines were already working on the magazines previously or were working on D&D products. It was WotCs attempt at outsourcing an unstable product. Compared to the previous incarnations the digital version of Dragon/Dungeon wasn't very good... But that could be my dislike for 4.0 talking, while mechanically superior to 3.5 and PF, fluff and inspiration wise it had much in common with a sterilized petri dish... Dragon+ is just... Ugh! Anyone who says 15+ years of D&D 3E, didn't actually make the whole ride. Everything 3.0 went out the window after 3.5 was released. While Pathfinder made conversions possible to and from 3.5, it was eventually so much work that everyone shelved out serious money for 3.5 to PF versions of the product they already owned in 3.5. I suspect that many will do the same for PF2. As for Paizo supporting both PF1 and PF2, I seriously doubt that. With any product there is natural course where old customers stop being customers and new customers arrive, not to mention old customers possibly returning. Generally customers that are die hard 'old edition' users were also not core PF users, because if that was true they would have stayed with 3.5 (or older editions). I suspect that Paizo can collect a TON of good information on what their customers think of their PF2 playtest and relate that quite well to their sales. Paizo does a lot of direct sales, both in physical products as in digital products... When a customer that played the digital playtest rules is negative about it and only got the PF1 pdfs through a $15 Humble Bundle (of which Paizo only saw ~$10), then it weighs a lot less then the positive opinion of a customer that has a subscription running through the Paizo store (and vice versa). WotC did almost NO direct sales, didn't do a playtest with 4.0, and wound up with a pretty big failure they corrected in 5.0. As PF will be 10 years old by the time it's officially released, that's longer then ANY version of D&D ever. That level of support is what I appreciate in a company, I'm curious what they'll do with PF2... [/QUOTE]
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