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<blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 7736544" data-attributes="member: 31506">Man, I feel for Paizo. They're stuck between their hardcore fans, and their more casual player. The latter was likely in high school or college when they started PF, and now just doesn't have time to keep up with the bloat and minutia now that they have more demands in career, family, etc. Casual new players are now more likely to go to 5E anyways... D&amp;D has brand recognition, isn't intentionally filled with trap options as a barrier to entry, and doesn't require a spreadsheet to manage your character. So they're facing attrition and a weaker flow of replacement players. Simpler would do better for them, but risk alienating their base.&nbsp; I run a lot of PF adventures in my 5E game, so wish them well on this. Hopefully they at least ditch the &quot;full attack action&quot; to not screw another generation of players who dare to dream of a decent melee character instead of yet another OP caster.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jefe Bergenstein, post: 7736544, member: 31506"] Man, I feel for Paizo. They're stuck between their hardcore fans, and their more casual player. The latter was likely in high school or college when they started PF, and now just doesn't have time to keep up with the bloat and minutia now that they have more demands in career, family, etc. Casual new players are now more likely to go to 5E anyways... D&D has brand recognition, isn't intentionally filled with trap options as a barrier to entry, and doesn't require a spreadsheet to manage your character. So they're facing attrition and a weaker flow of replacement players. Simpler would do better for them, but risk alienating their base. I run a lot of PF adventures in my 5E game, so wish them well on this. Hopefully they at least ditch the "full attack action" to not screw another generation of players who dare to dream of a decent melee character instead of yet another OP caster. [/QUOTE]

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