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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 7737392" data-attributes="member: 31506">Yeah, I deleted my response because I was being snarky and it wasn't needed, then I just got tied up over the weekend.To me, there's never going to be parity with how easy magic is to use in D&D unless they really ramp up what you can do with skills, and then exclude full casters from that. Real life world records should be shattered by around 3rd to 5th level, and we move into superheroics around 9th level for non-full casters. A 15th level fighter needs to look a lot more like Thor than Captain America, even before magic items are factored in (since they arent chosen by the player). This will require some narrative effects, which the sim crowd will whine about. Effectively mind reading with insight, charm with bluff/persuade, finding out secrets you can't obtain through divination with investigation checks, etc. Currently there are no skill actions that a non-caster can take that a caster cannot also take. That needs to change, unless we're also going to let fighters make an ability check to cast spells. Martials need effects specifically silod off for them. After all, casting spells should come at an opportunity cost, otherwise everyone in the D&D world would be doing it. 4E was the only time there was remotely parity in out of combat. IMO, casters still rule 5E simply because they get magic on top of the things a martial can do. Most days do not have 6-8 encounters to drain spells, and casters rule those. If you have a month of downtime, the caster can change the world a lot more than the non-casting member of the party through summons, fabricate, mind-effects etc. So we should probably have more martial specific downtime and assume that magical study eats up more of their free time.  I personally don't see the problem with having to spam cantrips or low level spells a few rounds to dump a big effect. That's ALL the fighter/rogue does, and they have no big effect. Just stab, stab stab with no major payoff.  It balances the low encounter day, which is a real DMing headache, and allows a niche of "fight ender" at the cost of not being frontloaded in a battle. Sadly I doubt they'll make any real effort to balance or tone down the insanity of 3E/PF caster favoritism. Would probably just be easier to remove non-casters from PC options at this point and just be honest about what the game is, like Mage and Ars Magica. Let everyone control a "real" character (caster) and a few non-caster chumps. Because what we have now is Doc Strange adventuring with Faramir and Pippin.</blockquote>

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