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<blockquote data-quote="Dana_Jorgensen" data-source="post: 1472256" data-attributes="member: 12962"><p>Well, having read through this entire thread, I'm not shocked at the outrage people express. I don't know any authors who have any appreciation for non-technical edits of their creative efforts, and very few of them would be quiet about changes to the extent that David Noonan has endured with his Dark Sun article.</p><p></p><p>I'd just like to say the whole problem looks like it boils down to a lack of a broad vision by the folks at Paizo. In the long run, they have proven to simply pick a theme, then focus on the individual parts of the theme, to the detriment of the bigger picture, issue after issue.</p><p></p><p>Had all the extra material been presented as a separate article, I doubt Mr. Noonan would have raised any issues with the article whatsoever, since it would have been a matter of mostly minor changes made to his work. This would have easily satisfied their desire to represent Dark Sun as "pure D&D 3.5", while still showing the author proper respect, especially considering the fact that David Noonan was a part of the D&D 3.5 design team (yeah, I'm making an assumption there, since there are at least 3 David Noonans writing, but apparently only one is involved with RPGs).</p><p></p><p>There's an added benefit to structuring it that way as well. Paizo perceives two markets; those who want "old skool" and those who want "pure D&D 3.5". Editing and alterations to please one market upsets the other, and inevitably, the "old skool" market is the one ignored. However, had the edits to Noonan's work been broken apart into two articles, it would have easily satisfied both markets. And it isn't something at all difficult to work into the magazine; Noonan's article could have been "Dark Sun 3.5 in the eyes of the elders" and the additional material in a separate article could have been "Dark Sun 3.5 in the eyes of a new generation", or something else along that line.</p><p></p><p>The last benefit would be that they didn't alienate yet another author. I wouldn't be surprised if we never again see another David Noonan article as long as Paizo continues running the show for all the WotC rags. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were numerous other authors who now won't bother submitting anything to begin with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dana_Jorgensen, post: 1472256, member: 12962"] Well, having read through this entire thread, I'm not shocked at the outrage people express. I don't know any authors who have any appreciation for non-technical edits of their creative efforts, and very few of them would be quiet about changes to the extent that David Noonan has endured with his Dark Sun article. I'd just like to say the whole problem looks like it boils down to a lack of a broad vision by the folks at Paizo. In the long run, they have proven to simply pick a theme, then focus on the individual parts of the theme, to the detriment of the bigger picture, issue after issue. Had all the extra material been presented as a separate article, I doubt Mr. Noonan would have raised any issues with the article whatsoever, since it would have been a matter of mostly minor changes made to his work. This would have easily satisfied their desire to represent Dark Sun as "pure D&D 3.5", while still showing the author proper respect, especially considering the fact that David Noonan was a part of the D&D 3.5 design team (yeah, I'm making an assumption there, since there are at least 3 David Noonans writing, but apparently only one is involved with RPGs). There's an added benefit to structuring it that way as well. Paizo perceives two markets; those who want "old skool" and those who want "pure D&D 3.5". Editing and alterations to please one market upsets the other, and inevitably, the "old skool" market is the one ignored. However, had the edits to Noonan's work been broken apart into two articles, it would have easily satisfied both markets. And it isn't something at all difficult to work into the magazine; Noonan's article could have been "Dark Sun 3.5 in the eyes of the elders" and the additional material in a separate article could have been "Dark Sun 3.5 in the eyes of a new generation", or something else along that line. The last benefit would be that they didn't alienate yet another author. I wouldn't be surprised if we never again see another David Noonan article as long as Paizo continues running the show for all the WotC rags. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were numerous other authors who now won't bother submitting anything to begin with. [/QUOTE]
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