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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8432774" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>Huh? Magic is part of Wizards. In fact, that's my point: why would the culture be all that different?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, you really haven't read into the Magic accusations if you think that's all there was. I mean, this <a href="https://imgur.com/a/5pYWrfM" target="_blank">sort of stuff</a> comes up in it as well. Again, there's plenty out there with Wizards, but you don't see the mass employee move because, as the MTG article I linked to, is that Wizards is aggressive in its social media policing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, given that Orion Black felt like they were tokenized and being ignored because of the color of their skin, I think it's <em>exactly</em> the same. And much of what is being talked about with MTG how their minority community is being treated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, my condemnation of Wizards comes directly from BIPOC people who have been involved with them who have come out and talked about how badly they are treated within their communities, how little they engage with their BIPOC supporters, and also what they apparently do internally. I've posted my links that justify this opinion, and if you want to minimize them that's fine. But the difference between what's happening there and what's happening at Paizo is minimal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm talking the scandals, not the union. And I'll point out that statement released around these things did more to tacitly confirm such things than to say they didn't happen. As it was, Paizo's statement on the scandals last month was weak. It was more indicative of a company that wanted to keep its head down and let things blow over. It's part of why they sparked action with the freelancers in the first place.</p><p></p><p>But [USER=6871928]@pauldanieljohnson[/USER] says, we may never even hear Paizo's side to begin with, so I'm not sure why we should be waiting to seek it for this matter. We might be stuck waiting forever... which would be likely what Paizo wants, anyways.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been in unionized situations and non-union. I'm not going to pull this off-topic anymore, but suffice to say I was much more comfortable in the unionized one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean like an OSHA complaint? They made that threat many times until it finally got done. You have to remember that the system in America favors employers way more than Canada. Washington is a right-to-work state, where you can be released from your job with few reasons to contest. And to contest, you're going to need to bring a lawsuit, which requires money and time, neither of which you are likely to have.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8432774, member: 6778210"] Huh? Magic is part of Wizards. In fact, that's my point: why would the culture be all that different? Uh, you really haven't read into the Magic accusations if you think that's all there was. I mean, this [URL='https://imgur.com/a/5pYWrfM']sort of stuff[/URL] comes up in it as well. Again, there's plenty out there with Wizards, but you don't see the mass employee move because, as the MTG article I linked to, is that Wizards is aggressive in its social media policing. I mean, given that Orion Black felt like they were tokenized and being ignored because of the color of their skin, I think it's [I]exactly[/I] the same. And much of what is being talked about with MTG how their minority community is being treated. No, my condemnation of Wizards comes directly from BIPOC people who have been involved with them who have come out and talked about how badly they are treated within their communities, how little they engage with their BIPOC supporters, and also what they apparently do internally. I've posted my links that justify this opinion, and if you want to minimize them that's fine. But the difference between what's happening there and what's happening at Paizo is minimal. I'm talking the scandals, not the union. And I'll point out that statement released around these things did more to tacitly confirm such things than to say they didn't happen. As it was, Paizo's statement on the scandals last month was weak. It was more indicative of a company that wanted to keep its head down and let things blow over. It's part of why they sparked action with the freelancers in the first place. But [USER=6871928]@pauldanieljohnson[/USER] says, we may never even hear Paizo's side to begin with, so I'm not sure why we should be waiting to seek it for this matter. We might be stuck waiting forever... which would be likely what Paizo wants, anyways. I've been in unionized situations and non-union. I'm not going to pull this off-topic anymore, but suffice to say I was much more comfortable in the unionized one. You mean like an OSHA complaint? They made that threat many times until it finally got done. You have to remember that the system in America favors employers way more than Canada. Washington is a right-to-work state, where you can be released from your job with few reasons to contest. And to contest, you're going to need to bring a lawsuit, which requires money and time, neither of which you are likely to have. [/QUOTE]
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