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<blockquote data-quote="Spiteful Dwarf" data-source="post: 1577112" data-attributes="member: 2061"><p><strong>Revisionism and all of its ugliness...</strong></p><p></p><p>I think this is the most lucid, well-thought-out, and well-presented argument ever posted on ENWorld...</p><p></p><p>My 2 bits:</p><p></p><p>I completely understand the urge to stay relevant to newly minted supplements and settings... D&D in stagnation is just like those scary people who obsess over the minutiae of Napoleon's day-to-day life.</p><p></p><p>I also understand that fans will never, ever be able to uniformly agree as to what constitutes a "sacred cow" in terms of which features can be ditched or otherwise bulldozed over to make room for growth. People will always be ambivalent to nearly every facet of a setting.</p><p></p><p>But what I cannot abide is when people use revisionism... WOTC or Paizo doesn't want to support Planescape *(or any of the other TSR expired worlds) as they were previously written... Fine. But don't be wishy-washy. You can't get both the interest of die-hard fans as well as new players when you invalidate a goodly portion of previously published material. (and yes, I realize the difference between 2e and 3e.) </p><p></p><p>But if you believe that the reason Planescape became such a cult sensation had anything to do with mechanics, and not substance (i.e.: characters, background, intertextuality, and all that other stuff that makes a campaign more than a bunch of wonky PrCs, races, and templates), then you're missing the spirit of the setting.</p><p></p><p>Neither of the companies should try to profit from the concepts of Planescape, without at least trying to stick with the themes of the original. You never cared for Planescape? Fine. I see nothing wrong with starting a new page. Inventing new cosmologies is okay, as WOTC is basically saying that FR and other settings like the new Eberron campaign world, are wholly separate from the past mythos of TSR. This is their right, due to ownership, etc... But, for all that is mythic... Don't pee all over the place, trying to spread your own individualized scent so that it not only affects the present, but the past of D&D... It's (daresay I use a horribly misused internet excuse) very fascist. It's also very fascist to use the one news/cultural magazine to try and convince me, through good ol' doublespeak, that I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE something that I used to like just fine.</p><p></p><p>Stick to the present and future of D&D, WOTC/Paizo... And quit screwing with the past. You want to release the Planar Handbook, and many, many fans are clamouring for it as well (myself included). Create a new mythos, one that will fit to the newness of 3e... Just don't go on telling me about how much better you're making things from the past. Only time will tell about that one.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for making me think, Alzrius.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>P.S.: Planescape rules</p><p></p><p>P.P.S.: I've bought nearly every supplement that WOTC has produced, so I am not a naysayer whose only goal is to overthrow the shackles of tyranny in our hobby, etc... On the contrary... For the most part, I wholeheartedly love the shackles and the quality of product they USUALLY produce. But it just bugs me to all hell and back that in the process of selling the "coolness" of their newest book, they have to tarnish the old ways. Very depressing... Kinda like a corporation and a young punk rocker teaming up to tell us about how stupid and unrealistic people who listened to motown were "back-in-the-day", and oh, by the way, if you want to be with the "new hotness" you should $$$ more on this wee little product right here...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spiteful Dwarf, post: 1577112, member: 2061"] [b]Revisionism and all of its ugliness...[/b] I think this is the most lucid, well-thought-out, and well-presented argument ever posted on ENWorld... My 2 bits: I completely understand the urge to stay relevant to newly minted supplements and settings... D&D in stagnation is just like those scary people who obsess over the minutiae of Napoleon's day-to-day life. I also understand that fans will never, ever be able to uniformly agree as to what constitutes a "sacred cow" in terms of which features can be ditched or otherwise bulldozed over to make room for growth. People will always be ambivalent to nearly every facet of a setting. But what I cannot abide is when people use revisionism... WOTC or Paizo doesn't want to support Planescape *(or any of the other TSR expired worlds) as they were previously written... Fine. But don't be wishy-washy. You can't get both the interest of die-hard fans as well as new players when you invalidate a goodly portion of previously published material. (and yes, I realize the difference between 2e and 3e.) But if you believe that the reason Planescape became such a cult sensation had anything to do with mechanics, and not substance (i.e.: characters, background, intertextuality, and all that other stuff that makes a campaign more than a bunch of wonky PrCs, races, and templates), then you're missing the spirit of the setting. Neither of the companies should try to profit from the concepts of Planescape, without at least trying to stick with the themes of the original. You never cared for Planescape? Fine. I see nothing wrong with starting a new page. Inventing new cosmologies is okay, as WOTC is basically saying that FR and other settings like the new Eberron campaign world, are wholly separate from the past mythos of TSR. This is their right, due to ownership, etc... But, for all that is mythic... Don't pee all over the place, trying to spread your own individualized scent so that it not only affects the present, but the past of D&D... It's (daresay I use a horribly misused internet excuse) very fascist. It's also very fascist to use the one news/cultural magazine to try and convince me, through good ol' doublespeak, that I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE something that I used to like just fine. Stick to the present and future of D&D, WOTC/Paizo... And quit screwing with the past. You want to release the Planar Handbook, and many, many fans are clamouring for it as well (myself included). Create a new mythos, one that will fit to the newness of 3e... Just don't go on telling me about how much better you're making things from the past. Only time will tell about that one. Thanks for making me think, Alzrius. P.S.: Planescape rules P.P.S.: I've bought nearly every supplement that WOTC has produced, so I am not a naysayer whose only goal is to overthrow the shackles of tyranny in our hobby, etc... On the contrary... For the most part, I wholeheartedly love the shackles and the quality of product they USUALLY produce. But it just bugs me to all hell and back that in the process of selling the "coolness" of their newest book, they have to tarnish the old ways. Very depressing... Kinda like a corporation and a young punk rocker teaming up to tell us about how stupid and unrealistic people who listened to motown were "back-in-the-day", and oh, by the way, if you want to be with the "new hotness" you should $$$ more on this wee little product right here... [/QUOTE]
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