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<blockquote data-quote="Jaeger" data-source="post: 8428521" data-attributes="member: 27996"><p>No.</p><p></p><p>At worst they drag Paizo down with them when they fail.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By Pazio's own admission they never fixed the underlying issue with 3.5.</p><p></p><p>PF1 is literally an employees 3.5 house rules layered on top of the OGL, which was a made in a last minute decision when they found out that WotC would not have the 4e SRD ready in time for them to make a 4e adventure path available when 4e hit the shelves.</p><p></p><p>That is all info they readily admit to on a company blog.</p><p></p><p>I find it hard to fault them too much for the decisions they made under those circumstances.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The developers at Paizo have many old WotC employee's! So they knew full well what they were doing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They read their market signals and interpreted them in a way that they thought PF2's design direction was the way to go.</p><p></p><p>I think that they read them wrong, but that is a whole other thread!</p><p></p><p>As to them not listening overmuch on playtests... That does seem to be a legit complaint given their history with Starfinder and PF2, when they were not under the same time crunch that they had with PF1.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In my experience companies pay as low as they do in the overwhelming majority of cases simply because <em>they can</em>.</p><p></p><p>A <em>big</em> problem with even small companies like Paizo is this:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2020/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>The contemptable greed of modern Ceo's with their salaries going up around 1000% in relation to workers wages is breathtaking.</p><p></p><p>How much do Paizo executives take off of the top? That would be a <em>very</em> interesting number to see...</p><p></p><p>Of course companies will come back with the line that: <em>"The economics of the industry prevent us from...."</em>.</p><p></p><p>To which I retort: <em>"Show me the books then."</em></p><p></p><p>Which is virtually without exception followed by: ~<em>insert sound of crickets chirping here~</em></p><p></p><p>I have seen the internal figures of enough companies to know when they are lying.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That assumes two entirely separate things;</p><p></p><p>1: That they have the cash on hand to fire everyone, and hire replacements in a timely fashion.</p><p></p><p>2: That the people currently working on projects for them are more talented than the dozens of others that Paizo could possibly employ.</p><p></p><p>I seriously doubt they have the will, or a deep enough pocketbook to go scorched-earth with option number 1.</p><p></p><p>I absolutely believe they could replace their entire workforce over time without a dip in quality. They're not <em>that</em> good...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hitting the supplement treadmill that hard when you are not doing 5e sales levels might actually be the root of their current problems.</p><p></p><p>Especially if the Pazio executives are paying themselves salaries equivalent to what their WotC counterparts make...</p><p></p><p>Of course this opens up another can of worms:</p><p></p><p>WotC is doing silly sales numbers with 5e. </p><p></p><p>Yet it is known that they do not pay their freelancers anymore than Paizo does...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaeger, post: 8428521, member: 27996"] No. At worst they drag Paizo down with them when they fail. By Pazio's own admission they never fixed the underlying issue with 3.5. PF1 is literally an employees 3.5 house rules layered on top of the OGL, which was a made in a last minute decision when they found out that WotC would not have the 4e SRD ready in time for them to make a 4e adventure path available when 4e hit the shelves. That is all info they readily admit to on a company blog. I find it hard to fault them too much for the decisions they made under those circumstances. The developers at Paizo have many old WotC employee's! So they knew full well what they were doing. They read their market signals and interpreted them in a way that they thought PF2's design direction was the way to go. I think that they read them wrong, but that is a whole other thread! As to them not listening overmuch on playtests... That does seem to be a legit complaint given their history with Starfinder and PF2, when they were not under the same time crunch that they had with PF1. In my experience companies pay as low as they do in the overwhelming majority of cases simply because [I]they can[/I]. A [I]big[/I] problem with even small companies like Paizo is this: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2020/[/URL] The contemptable greed of modern Ceo's with their salaries going up around 1000% in relation to workers wages is breathtaking. How much do Paizo executives take off of the top? That would be a [I]very[/I] interesting number to see... Of course companies will come back with the line that: [I]"The economics of the industry prevent us from...."[/I]. To which I retort: [I]"Show me the books then."[/I] Which is virtually without exception followed by: ~[I]insert sound of crickets chirping here~[/I] I have seen the internal figures of enough companies to know when they are lying. That assumes two entirely separate things; 1: That they have the cash on hand to fire everyone, and hire replacements in a timely fashion. 2: That the people currently working on projects for them are more talented than the dozens of others that Paizo could possibly employ. I seriously doubt they have the will, or a deep enough pocketbook to go scorched-earth with option number 1. I absolutely believe they could replace their entire workforce over time without a dip in quality. They're not [I]that[/I] good... Hitting the supplement treadmill that hard when you are not doing 5e sales levels might actually be the root of their current problems. Especially if the Pazio executives are paying themselves salaries equivalent to what their WotC counterparts make... Of course this opens up another can of worms: WotC is doing silly sales numbers with 5e. Yet it is known that they do not pay their freelancers anymore than Paizo does... [/QUOTE]
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