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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5221705" data-attributes="member: 957">It may be power creep and it may not be power creep.  We don't know yet.  I watched the banquet video and they said this was gained at "high level".  (maybe he even said "very high"  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />   ).  It depends on what was traded out.I agree that lots of new bits brings the very real threat of power creep.  But again, in theory, there is no automatic power creep.  If the feats are balanced, then you have a lot of new options at the same power level.It is certainly easy for 3 feats out of 163 to become the "no brainers" and suddenly you have power creep.  And you can also get more and more threat of unforeseen combos giving rise to power creep.  So it is certainly a fair concern.But lets see.From my point of view PF still has vastly less fiddly bits than 3X did and my home game proved quite immune to power creep.  I had some max/min types in the the group.  But we also had good communication within the group.  A handful of times something crazy would come together, and we would compliment the player for the cool power and the player would gracefully work with the group to make things fun.  That is my group.  I'm sure not all groups are that way.But, since I didn't have creep issues in 3X, I have zero fear that PF has creep issues anywhere on the horizon.  So I just have more toys to better realize my reality with.  I'm hugely looking forward to this product.Also, I believed back when I was buying WotC 3X stuff that a kind of power creep arms race was part of the marketing strategy to keep books moving.  Maybe I'm a bit over cynical there, but I think it was part of the plan.I don't think Paizo sees it that way.  Not that I'm predicting they never will, but I am very confident that is not part of their market strategy here in 2010.That doesn't mean it won't still happen incidentally.  But removing a driving force from the equation will help.Lastly, I find the entire PF power creep issue overblown so far.  So I find fear of future creep likely to be overblown as well.  Yes, the classes are a bit more powerful and a mid level character will have 1 - 2 extra feats.  But, all-in-all, I find it rather mild.  Certainly if you take into account that official guidelines say to subtract 1 from the recommended levels of any 3X modules and classed npcs have all had their CRs reduced by 1, then the issue has at least been canceled out.  When all is said and done, building a good set of characters and a good set of exciting challenges to throw at them works just fine in PF.  I see the move from 3X to PF as a refined calibration of power far moreso than power creep.  It is simply a new baseline.Do we creep from this new baseline?  Perhaps.  And I hope not.  But I'm happy and confident for now.  I know that the 3X foundation rocks and Paizo has tweaked it into into the most flavor focused re-tooling of the core system I've seen so far.imoEDIT:  BTW, Crothian, only the first couple lines was intended as direct response.  Apologies if I sounded like I was going on and on over one thing you said...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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