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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3668991" data-attributes="member: 1656">What deception?&nbsp; It didn't tell them a lot of things - it didn't tell them what it had for breakfast, it didn't tell them its cousin's dog's name, it didn't tell them it was a fiend from the Nine Hells.&nbsp; How does that have a bearing on &quot;Let's work together to achieve our separate objectives&quot;?Did the paladin disclose he was a paladin when the agreement was made?&nbsp; If he didn't, is that a deception that would have given the Imp a valid excuse for killing the paladin first?I'm not talking about Good vs Law; I'm talking about acting with honour, per the Code.A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act. Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.Is refraining from smiting a creature with whom one has a truce an evil act?&nbsp; I'd say not.Does refraining from smiting a creature with whom one has a truce violate 'respect legitimate authority' or 'help those in need'?&nbsp; I'd say not.Is the Imp one who is harming or threatening innocents, necessitating punishment?&nbsp; He may do at some time in the future, but there is no clear and present danger.Does smiting a creature with whom one has a truce violate 'act with honor'?&nbsp; Oh, hell, yes.You've got, on the one hand, a clear code violation.&nbsp; On the other hand, there's a case that might be made that a fiend, regardless of what he's actually doing or intending, threatens innocents by his very existence.I'd say a hypothetical maybe vs a clear yes makes it a decision that's weighted strongly towards one side, and that one side is 'Act with honor'.I wouldn't consider honouring the agreement to be a violation of the code.&nbsp; Nor do I feel that a Paladin is required to automatically smite at the first ping on the Evildar.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3668991, member: 1656"] What deception? It didn't tell them a lot of things - it didn't tell them what it had for breakfast, it didn't tell them its cousin's dog's name, it didn't tell them it was a fiend from the Nine Hells. How does that have a bearing on "Let's work together to achieve our separate objectives"? Did the paladin disclose he was a paladin when the agreement was made? If he didn't, is that a deception that would have given the Imp a valid excuse for killing the paladin first? I'm not talking about Good vs Law; I'm talking about acting with honour, per the Code. [i]A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act. Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.[/i] Is refraining from smiting a creature with whom one has a truce an evil act? I'd say not. Does refraining from smiting a creature with whom one has a truce violate 'respect legitimate authority' or 'help those in need'? I'd say not. Is the Imp one who is harming or threatening innocents, necessitating punishment? He may do at some time in the future, but there is no clear and present danger. Does smiting a creature with whom one has a truce violate 'act with honor'? Oh, hell, yes. You've got, on the one hand, a clear code violation. On the other hand, there's a case that might be made that a fiend, regardless of what he's actually doing or intending, threatens innocents by his very existence. I'd say a hypothetical maybe vs a clear yes makes it a decision that's weighted strongly towards one side, and that one side is 'Act with honor'. I wouldn't consider honouring the agreement to be a violation of the code. Nor do I feel that a Paladin is required to automatically smite at the first ping on the Evildar. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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