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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3670462" data-attributes="member: 35788">The problem I have with this kind of argumentation (and most of Hawken's, too) is that it doesn't represent &quot;good.&quot;The arguement is that &quot;the paladin is good because in actively killing demons and devils he is fulfilling the goodness of his class.&quot;&nbsp; As if actively killing demons and devils makes him good.&nbsp; But the truth is that actively killing demons and devils is not what makes him good.&nbsp; If killing demons and devils made a person good, then demons and devils (who kill each other in the great war that they have) would be highly conflicted!&nbsp; By killing each other they would be setting themselves on the path to righteousness!&nbsp; That is ridiculous, and it leads to this conclusion: The act of killing a demon or devil does not inherently make one good!Now, the act of freeing someone from under the influence of a demon or devil does make one good.&nbsp; The act of restoring hope to a land being dominated by demons and devils does make one good.&nbsp; But simply pulling out one's sword and butchering a demon or devil does not make one good!&nbsp; To adopt a powerful saying into D&amp;D: &quot;What makes killing demons and devils good?&nbsp; Even demons and devils do that much themselves!&quot;I realize that there are times and places for killing demons and devils.&nbsp; But killing one just because it is present is simply killing.&nbsp; There is nothing inherently &quot;good&quot; about it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3670462, member: 35788"] The problem I have with this kind of argumentation (and most of Hawken's, too) is that it doesn't represent "good." The arguement is that "the paladin is good because in actively killing demons and devils he is fulfilling the goodness of his class." As if actively killing demons and devils makes him good. But the truth is that actively killing demons and devils is not what makes him good. If killing demons and devils made a person good, then demons and devils (who kill each other in the great war that they have) would be highly conflicted! By killing each other they would be setting themselves on the path to righteousness! That is ridiculous, and it leads to this conclusion: The act of killing a demon or devil does not inherently make one good! Now, the act of freeing someone from under the influence of a demon or devil does make one good. The act of restoring hope to a land being dominated by demons and devils does make one good. But simply pulling out one's sword and butchering a demon or devil does not make one good! To adopt a powerful saying into D&D: "What makes killing demons and devils good? Even demons and devils do that much themselves!" I realize that there are times and places for killing demons and devils. But killing one just because it is present is simply killing. There is nothing inherently "good" about it. [/QUOTE]

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