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<blockquote data-quote="SlagMortar" data-source="post: 3670515" data-attributes="member: 24821">That is why I said &quot;free to attack or not.&quot;&nbsp; The paladin can use his judgment to determine whether killing the fiend now does the most good or not killing the fiend now does the most good.&nbsp; A paladin should never enter into an agreement where one of the stipulations is &quot;no killing devils.&quot;A paladin should:1.&nbsp; Always be free to decide what is best.2.&nbsp; Only make agreements under which he can still adhere to and allow for #1.This may mean some people will not enter into an agreement with the paladin because the paladin can not say, &quot;I will follow 100% of your orders&quot; or &quot;I will guarantee your safety even if you are a fiend.&quot;&nbsp; That's part of doing business without compromising beliefs.&nbsp; For example, a paladin might have to say to a king asking his allegience, &quot;I will fight for what is honorable and true and I believe your cause is just.&nbsp; I will pledge my sword to your cause as long as it continues to be so.&quot;&nbsp; If that's not good enough for the king, then the paladin has no business giving his fealty.&nbsp; If that prevents some greater good from happening, then that's too bad because the ends do not justify the means.&nbsp; I'm not saying it is the only logical philosophy, but I believe it is the paladin's philosophy.Isn't this what demons and devils do when fighting eachother?&nbsp; I would also argue that the war of demons vs devils is, in fact, very &quot;good&quot;, though its motives are not.&nbsp; It prevents either side from focusing its attention on the prime material plane and thus frees many peoples who would otherwise be oppressed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SlagMortar, post: 3670515, member: 24821"] That is why I said "free to attack or not." The paladin can use his judgment to determine whether killing the fiend now does the most good or not killing the fiend now does the most good. A paladin should never enter into an agreement where one of the stipulations is "no killing devils." A paladin should: 1. Always be free to decide what is best. 2. Only make agreements under which he can still adhere to and allow for #1. This may mean some people will not enter into an agreement with the paladin because the paladin can not say, "I will follow 100% of your orders" or "I will guarantee your safety even if you are a fiend." That's part of doing business without compromising beliefs. For example, a paladin might have to say to a king asking his allegience, "I will fight for what is honorable and true and I believe your cause is just. I will pledge my sword to your cause as long as it continues to be so." If that's not good enough for the king, then the paladin has no business giving his fealty. If that prevents some greater good from happening, then that's too bad because the ends do not justify the means. I'm not saying it is the only logical philosophy, but I believe it is the paladin's philosophy. Isn't this what demons and devils do when fighting eachother? I would also argue that the war of demons vs devils is, in fact, very "good", though its motives are not. It prevents either side from focusing its attention on the prime material plane and thus frees many peoples who would otherwise be oppressed. [/QUOTE]

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