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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3670922" data-attributes="member: 35788">Actually, it isn't.&nbsp; To pull in other non-core sources, since the core sources are quiet and we need sources like MotP and BoED, I look to the Sanctified Template in the BoED.&nbsp; Power-arguments aside, of course, this template specifically calls out outsiders.&nbsp; Sanctified outsiders gain the good subtype and lose the following subtypes: baatezu (devil), tanar'ri (demon), and yugoloth.&nbsp; Even more specifically, if a creature has a fiendish template it loses that.My point is not that I am twisting your words to make my points, but thanks for the charge against me!&nbsp; My point is that D&amp;D Core is quiet on the issue.&nbsp; Non-Core speaks to the possibility of sanctification and redemption in the BoED.&nbsp; I admit that it is a hard process, but clearly possible.&nbsp; You may say it is impossible in your game, and that's cool.&nbsp; But D&amp;D as published by WoTC has officially left the door open.As for the MoTP, I'm not arguing that the demons and devils are notoriously evil.&nbsp; I'm just saying that it isn't as black and white as you paint it.&nbsp; I honestly don't know if the MoTP specifically says that Demons, Devils, Yugoloths, Inevitables, Angels, Solars, Guardinals, Eladrins, or Archons are uncorruptable from their predetermined alignment.&nbsp; But I do note that the BoED says that sanctification is possible for outsiders.&nbsp; That isn't black and white to me.&nbsp; That is shades of gray (no matter how dim the possibility).&nbsp; Sanctification is always a possibility, even with fiends.&nbsp; Not an easy one, granted.&nbsp; but still a possibility.EDIT: Also, I should note that the process of sanctification is covered by the spell Sanctify the Wicked in the BoED p. 106.&nbsp; Again, this spell calls out specifically how the soul is removed from an evil creature and allowed to perform penance in a diamond.&nbsp; This spell is 9th level and requires the sacrifice of a character level.&nbsp; Not easy, but possible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3670922, member: 35788"] Actually, it isn't. To pull in other non-core sources, since the core sources are quiet and we need sources like MotP and BoED, I look to the Sanctified Template in the BoED. Power-arguments aside, of course, this template specifically calls out outsiders. Sanctified outsiders gain the good subtype and lose the following subtypes: baatezu (devil), tanar'ri (demon), and yugoloth. Even more specifically, if a creature has a fiendish template it loses that. My point is not that I am twisting your words to make my points, but thanks for the charge against me! My point is that D&D Core is quiet on the issue. Non-Core speaks to the possibility of sanctification and redemption in the BoED. I admit that it is a hard process, but clearly possible. You may say it is impossible in your game, and that's cool. But D&D as published by WoTC has officially left the door open. As for the MoTP, I'm not arguing that the demons and devils are notoriously evil. I'm just saying that it isn't as black and white as you paint it. I honestly don't know if the MoTP specifically says that Demons, Devils, Yugoloths, Inevitables, Angels, Solars, Guardinals, Eladrins, or Archons are uncorruptable from their predetermined alignment. But I do note that the BoED says that sanctification is possible for outsiders. That isn't black and white to me. That is shades of gray (no matter how dim the possibility). Sanctification is always a possibility, even with fiends. Not an easy one, granted. but still a possibility. EDIT: Also, I should note that the process of sanctification is covered by the spell Sanctify the Wicked in the BoED p. 106. Again, this spell calls out specifically how the soul is removed from an evil creature and allowed to perform penance in a diamond. This spell is 9th level and requires the sacrifice of a character level. Not easy, but possible. [/QUOTE]

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