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<blockquote data-quote="Patlin" data-source="post: 3674440" data-attributes="member: 17264">This is clearly the best option, and I don't think a single dinner in order to solicit information would even rise to the level of 'association.'&nbsp; Pelinor certainly couldn't accurately describe Anyiel as 'my associate' based on such a limited relationship.Pelinor would do even better if he tried to reform the fallen angel.&nbsp; The fall itself suggests the possibility of change, and a peacefull encounter might allow Sir Pelinor to advance that agenda.However, 'best' isn't the question here, is it? The question is what is permissible in terms of the Paladin code.&nbsp; In my opinion, the code:1) Doesn't require the Paladin to succeed.&nbsp; If the Paladin is an idiot and through poor choices allows Orcus to rule the world, that's not a code violation.2) Doesn't require the Paladin to be personable.&nbsp; The days of a Paladin needing a 17+ Charisma are gone.&nbsp; He might be a really lousy dinner date, darkly muttering about slaying fiends, lost opportunities, and the indignities a paladin must face throughout the meal.3) Doesn't prohibit looking for a fight.&nbsp; If after gaining the information, the Paladin provokes Anyiel into violating the truce and slays her in a fair fight, that's within the realm of reasonable Paladin activity.&nbsp; Similarly, even a more genteel Paladin might announce at the end of the night that the truce expires at a particular time, and that after that point any contact between the two would be decidedly less cordial.If Pelinor started a long term relationship with the fallen angel, he'd have some trouble.&nbsp; If he launched a surpriise attack during the truce, he'd have some trouble.&nbsp; The dinner itself might have interesting non-alignment, non class-status plot implications.&nbsp; (&quot;Sir Pelinor, I know you to be a trustworthy man, so when I saw you with that woman Anyiel I assumed she also could be trusted.&nbsp; She took advantage of that trust, and no my youngest son is missing, last seen in her company... you must help me!&quot;)The code should be broad enough so that a Paladin has choices to make, just like any other character.&nbsp; There shouldn't be a solitary correct course of conduct for the character to follow based on class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patlin, post: 3674440, member: 17264"] This is clearly the best option, and I don't think a single dinner in order to solicit information would even rise to the level of 'association.' Pelinor certainly couldn't accurately describe Anyiel as 'my associate' based on such a limited relationship. Pelinor would do even better if he tried to reform the fallen angel. The fall itself suggests the possibility of change, and a peacefull encounter might allow Sir Pelinor to advance that agenda. However, 'best' isn't the question here, is it? The question is what is permissible in terms of the Paladin code. In my opinion, the code: 1) Doesn't require the Paladin to succeed. If the Paladin is an idiot and through poor choices allows Orcus to rule the world, that's not a code violation. 2) Doesn't require the Paladin to be personable. The days of a Paladin needing a 17+ Charisma are gone. He might be a really lousy dinner date, darkly muttering about slaying fiends, lost opportunities, and the indignities a paladin must face throughout the meal. 3) Doesn't prohibit looking for a fight. If after gaining the information, the Paladin provokes Anyiel into violating the truce and slays her in a fair fight, that's within the realm of reasonable Paladin activity. Similarly, even a more genteel Paladin might announce at the end of the night that the truce expires at a particular time, and that after that point any contact between the two would be decidedly less cordial. If Pelinor started a long term relationship with the fallen angel, he'd have some trouble. If he launched a surpriise attack during the truce, he'd have some trouble. The dinner itself might have interesting non-alignment, non class-status plot implications. ("Sir Pelinor, I know you to be a trustworthy man, so when I saw you with that woman Anyiel I assumed she also could be trusted. She took advantage of that trust, and no my youngest son is missing, last seen in her company... you must help me!") The code should be broad enough so that a Paladin has choices to make, just like any other character. There shouldn't be a solitary correct course of conduct for the character to follow based on class. [/QUOTE]

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