Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Paladin Actions - Appropriate?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="bodhi" data-source="post: 3681178" data-attributes="member: 19770"><p>This reminded me of:</p><p></p><p></p><p>With which I disagree. Granted, a paladin's ultimate allegiance is to his deity. However, if he is part of an organization, be it adventurer party, church, or government, which he has joined of his own free will, then he has obligations to that organization. Sometimes it might be spelled out in a contract: I, the undersigned, agree to blah blah blah. Sometimes it might involve an oath: I swear to uphold the tenets of the Brotherhood, defend and assist my Brothers, etc, etc.</p><p></p><p>With a party, the obligations probably wouldn't be explicitly defined. I think almost every party would take for granted A) working together and not at cross-purposes (at least most of the time), and B) actively assisting each other (including buffs, healing, flanking, etc). I think most groups would, sooner or later, hash out division of treasure. And I think that being bound by an agreement made by the group (but not you personally) would be a <em>reasonable</em> assumption. And that if you were to break such an agreement then, as part of the group, you would owe the group an explanation.</p><p></p><p>Imagine if the paladin, in parley, granted safe passage to a human necromancer. Then, once the necromancer passes the paladin, the rogue backstabs, killing the necromancer, saying "<em>I</em> never granted him safe passage, <em>you</em> did". IMHO, the paladin would be clearly justified in being upset, and demanding an explanation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That being said, I'd still like to know just when the paladin found out the ally was an imp, and how he proceeded at that point.</p><p></p><p>"I've been deceived, our agreement is null and void! *smite*" Fine by me. Perhaps not the most prudent move if combat hadn't been resolved, but fine.</p><p></p><p>"I've been deceived, but I have bigger fish to fry." or "I've been deceived, but I will honor my word." followed by "But we will have business between us when this is done.", I'm also okay with. Perhaps a little less righteous, but also more prudent.</p><p></p><p>"I've been deceived, but the imp makes my job easier, so I'll keep my mouth shut for now. I can always smite later." That's the one I have a problem with. This attitude indicates a willingness to actively work with (capital E) Evil as long as it's in the paladin's interest.</p><p></p><p>Note that IMHO all of this can be the paladin's internal monologue. So, in this case at least, it's not about specific actions, but motivations. It's the difference between being forced to work with the imp (either because of the agreement or because it's the only chance for success), and choosing to do so. I'll grant it's a subtle difference, but I think it's an important one, especially for a paladin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bodhi, post: 3681178, member: 19770"] This reminded me of: With which I disagree. Granted, a paladin's ultimate allegiance is to his deity. However, if he is part of an organization, be it adventurer party, church, or government, which he has joined of his own free will, then he has obligations to that organization. Sometimes it might be spelled out in a contract: I, the undersigned, agree to blah blah blah. Sometimes it might involve an oath: I swear to uphold the tenets of the Brotherhood, defend and assist my Brothers, etc, etc. With a party, the obligations probably wouldn't be explicitly defined. I think almost every party would take for granted A) working together and not at cross-purposes (at least most of the time), and B) actively assisting each other (including buffs, healing, flanking, etc). I think most groups would, sooner or later, hash out division of treasure. And I think that being bound by an agreement made by the group (but not you personally) would be a [i]reasonable[/i] assumption. And that if you were to break such an agreement then, as part of the group, you would owe the group an explanation. Imagine if the paladin, in parley, granted safe passage to a human necromancer. Then, once the necromancer passes the paladin, the rogue backstabs, killing the necromancer, saying "[i]I[/i] never granted him safe passage, [i]you[/i] did". IMHO, the paladin would be clearly justified in being upset, and demanding an explanation. That being said, I'd still like to know just when the paladin found out the ally was an imp, and how he proceeded at that point. "I've been deceived, our agreement is null and void! *smite*" Fine by me. Perhaps not the most prudent move if combat hadn't been resolved, but fine. "I've been deceived, but I have bigger fish to fry." or "I've been deceived, but I will honor my word." followed by "But we will have business between us when this is done.", I'm also okay with. Perhaps a little less righteous, but also more prudent. "I've been deceived, but the imp makes my job easier, so I'll keep my mouth shut for now. I can always smite later." That's the one I have a problem with. This attitude indicates a willingness to actively work with (capital E) Evil as long as it's in the paladin's interest. Note that IMHO all of this can be the paladin's internal monologue. So, in this case at least, it's not about specific actions, but motivations. It's the difference between being forced to work with the imp (either because of the agreement or because it's the only chance for success), and choosing to do so. I'll grant it's a subtle difference, but I think it's an important one, especially for a paladin. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Paladin Actions - Appropriate?
Top