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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3683139" data-attributes="member: 29014">Interesting thoughts!Only humans can have ambiguous love with psychological baggage that makes it somewhat clingy and selfish?&nbsp; Even IanB agrees that the Succubus could have it as an exemplar of that type of flawed love, and the Yochlol is a specific example of a demon that is listed as (admittedly rarely) doing something very similar to this scenario, including never betraying the lover or doing anything particularly evil, though if former friends kill the lover for wedding a demon, the yochlol will revert after his death and slaughter the killers before returning to the Demonweb Pits. That's an interesting characterisation of how your Paladin would feel in my games, but I think it isn't the best one.&nbsp; I don't think I have low standards--I have different ones.&nbsp; To wit, if I remember specifically your opinion (forgive me if I don't--they blend together a bit, you know?) your paladin would feel like he should have lost all powers for the dinner date and he would feel like he shouldn't have so much as a bad dream for betraying his honour to slay Evil Outsiders because agreements with evil outsiders don't count.&nbsp; I would probably make Percival fall for decapitating Erin in her sleep (cleave to the Teddy Bear!).&nbsp; You might have him fall for raising her in a loving household (it's technically associating with an Evil Outsider after all, though she may not in fact have Evil alignment--if she's actually Lawful Neutral, there will be literally no game-rule way to tell the difference from Lawful Evil thanks to having the Evil subtype).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3683139, member: 29014"] Interesting thoughts! Only humans can have ambiguous love with psychological baggage that makes it somewhat clingy and selfish? Even IanB agrees that the Succubus could have it as an exemplar of that type of flawed love, and the Yochlol is a specific example of a demon that is listed as (admittedly rarely) doing something very similar to this scenario, including never betraying the lover or doing anything particularly evil, though if former friends kill the lover for wedding a demon, the yochlol will revert after his death and slaughter the killers before returning to the Demonweb Pits. That's an interesting characterisation of how your Paladin would feel in my games, but I think it isn't the best one. I don't think I have low standards--I have different ones. To wit, if I remember specifically your opinion (forgive me if I don't--they blend together a bit, you know?) your paladin would feel like he should have lost all powers for the dinner date and he would feel like he shouldn't have so much as a bad dream for betraying his honour to slay Evil Outsiders because agreements with evil outsiders don't count. I would probably make Percival fall for decapitating Erin in her sleep (cleave to the Teddy Bear!). You might have him fall for raising her in a loving household (it's technically associating with an Evil Outsider after all, though she may not in fact have Evil alignment--if she's actually Lawful Neutral, there will be literally no game-rule way to tell the difference from Lawful Evil thanks to having the Evil subtype). [/QUOTE]

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