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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3683184" data-attributes="member: 29014">I think that assertion here (and really, it is unique among posters who share similar views to you like SlagMortar and IanB who make interesting points about their games that are fun to think about) has too much hubris and derision for other people's views.&nbsp; It seems to be tewlling people in this thread that they are wrong, they aren't 'playing D&amp;D as it's made to be played'.&nbsp; And who is to say that these are tales of 'gray morality'.&nbsp; I think the dinner date tale is pretty harmless fun that would be interesting to roleplay.&nbsp; It's only gray morality if you've already presupposed that your view must be correct, in which case you've established a circular tautological definition.But honestly, I'm interested in all different viewpoints.&nbsp; I'd really like to see your thoughts about the discussion, but, as you have mentioned here, when it comes to fiends and love, you have only really posted &quot;Fiends can't love.&quot; and sometimes &quot;Fiends can't love because they are made of evil&quot; without really explaining why.&nbsp; I agree that fiends are made of Evil.&nbsp; I still think they can love.&nbsp; I have offered numerous examples from both D&amp;D books and my own head, a few of which (like a Succubus as exemplar of the ultimate clingy love) satisfied some of the others with similar thoughts to you.&nbsp; I would like to see justification from you as to your opinion, as each of the others who offered such have been interesting to me, but I guess if you're just going to leave now it means you don't have any?Sometimes we find things so self-evident that we can't really explain them.&nbsp; It happens to me all the time too, and that's okay.&nbsp; If that's the case here, I guess you truly have said all you can say, and I wish you good gaming!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3683184, member: 29014"] I think that assertion here (and really, it is unique among posters who share similar views to you like SlagMortar and IanB who make interesting points about their games that are fun to think about) has too much hubris and derision for other people's views. It seems to be tewlling people in this thread that they are wrong, they aren't 'playing D&D as it's made to be played'. And who is to say that these are tales of 'gray morality'. I think the dinner date tale is pretty harmless fun that would be interesting to roleplay. It's only gray morality if you've already presupposed that your view must be correct, in which case you've established a circular tautological definition. But honestly, I'm interested in all different viewpoints. I'd really like to see your thoughts about the discussion, but, as you have mentioned here, when it comes to fiends and love, you have only really posted "Fiends can't love." and sometimes "Fiends can't love because they are made of evil" without really explaining why. I agree that fiends are made of Evil. I still think they can love. I have offered numerous examples from both D&D books and my own head, a few of which (like a Succubus as exemplar of the ultimate clingy love) satisfied some of the others with similar thoughts to you. I would like to see justification from you as to your opinion, as each of the others who offered such have been interesting to me, but I guess if you're just going to leave now it means you don't have any? Sometimes we find things so self-evident that we can't really explain them. It happens to me all the time too, and that's okay. If that's the case here, I guess you truly have said all you can say, and I wish you good gaming! [/QUOTE]

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