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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3683443" data-attributes="member: 29014">Heisenberg doesn't exist in D&amp;D though--you can use Divination magic to know the position and speed of a particle <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Ah, but the specifics of the scenario make it more interesting because the only way to stop the ritual is to kill the one who started it (Orcus) or destroy a focus.&nbsp; You could also try to convince Orcus to not do it.Ah, but the magic didn't say they couldn't do it--they're free to try the disguise.&nbsp; The magic said that only Anyiel or Orcus could get them in.&nbsp; It didn't tell them they had to accept the dinner date--that was what Anyiel herself said later.&nbsp; Heck, another option they could use is to agree, then have the Paladin not show up and send someone to capture her and torture her until she gave up the information.&nbsp; The magic only said that Orcus and Anyiel are the only entities with the information.&nbsp; Kicking in the lesser demon strongholds is bound to failure, however, and I contend that having a party member do dishonourable things for him by proxy is pretty much the same as the Paladin doing it.&quot;As a Paladin, I shall never condone torture of this orc.&nbsp; Now that I've told you that, since torture chambers sicken me, I'm going to leave you in this torture chamber with the orc while I go pray.&quot;&nbsp; There have been discussions earlier, and I'm of the mind that standing by and ignoring while your comrades do dishonourable deeds for you by proxy is another one of those Lawful Evil twisting violations of the code.&nbsp; This has been discussed before in other threads, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3683443, member: 29014"] Heisenberg doesn't exist in D&D though--you can use Divination magic to know the position and speed of a particle :D Ah, but the specifics of the scenario make it more interesting because the only way to stop the ritual is to kill the one who started it (Orcus) or destroy a focus. You could also try to convince Orcus to not do it. Ah, but the magic didn't say they couldn't do it--they're free to try the disguise. The magic said that only Anyiel or Orcus could get them in. It didn't tell them they had to accept the dinner date--that was what Anyiel herself said later. Heck, another option they could use is to agree, then have the Paladin not show up and send someone to capture her and torture her until she gave up the information. The magic only said that Orcus and Anyiel are the only entities with the information. Kicking in the lesser demon strongholds is bound to failure, however, and I contend that having a party member do dishonourable things for him by proxy is pretty much the same as the Paladin doing it. "As a Paladin, I shall never condone torture of this orc. Now that I've told you that, since torture chambers sicken me, I'm going to leave you in this torture chamber with the orc while I go pray." There have been discussions earlier, and I'm of the mind that standing by and ignoring while your comrades do dishonourable deeds for you by proxy is another one of those Lawful Evil twisting violations of the code. This has been discussed before in other threads, though. [/QUOTE]

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