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<blockquote data-quote="SlagMortar" data-source="post: 3683844" data-attributes="member: 24821">No, its really not unless you as the DM decide that it is.&nbsp; It won't reveal the pass key, but it might reveal an alternative method of disrupting the plan.I certainly agree.&nbsp; However, in my example, the paladin truly did not know the rogue was even thinking about going in his stead.&nbsp; The paladin did not leave so that the rogue could go get the pass phrase, but instead the paladin left so he could try to find some other means of disrupting the pland.&nbsp; Surely the paladin should not disown the rogue or refuse to use the pass phrase because it was gotten through dishonest means?&nbsp; Surely if the rogue does not regularly do this sort of thing, but did only because the world was on the line, then the rogue and paladin can continue to adventure together?That's not what Rystil or I is saying at all.&nbsp; We are only pointing out many of the various points on which a player and DM might disagree on whether a paladin should fall.&nbsp; Such disagreements are bound to happen from time to time and so are good things to be aware of if anyone in any group is playing a paladin.&nbsp; However, it is certainly true that if a DM is determined to make a paladin fall, the paladin is going to fall in much the same way as &quot;rocks fall, everyone dies&quot; can end any campaign.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SlagMortar, post: 3683844, member: 24821"] No, its really not unless you as the DM decide that it is. It won't reveal the pass key, but it might reveal an alternative method of disrupting the plan. I certainly agree. However, in my example, the paladin truly did not know the rogue was even thinking about going in his stead. The paladin did not leave so that the rogue could go get the pass phrase, but instead the paladin left so he could try to find some other means of disrupting the pland. Surely the paladin should not disown the rogue or refuse to use the pass phrase because it was gotten through dishonest means? Surely if the rogue does not regularly do this sort of thing, but did only because the world was on the line, then the rogue and paladin can continue to adventure together? That's not what Rystil or I is saying at all. We are only pointing out many of the various points on which a player and DM might disagree on whether a paladin should fall. Such disagreements are bound to happen from time to time and so are good things to be aware of if anyone in any group is playing a paladin. However, it is certainly true that if a DM is determined to make a paladin fall, the paladin is going to fall in much the same way as "rocks fall, everyone dies" can end any campaign. [/QUOTE]

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