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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3683894" data-attributes="member: 29014">Killing random demons is fun and all, and it is certainly an overall gain for the multiverse, but by the terms I set in the story, to disrupt the casting, you have to mess with the caster (Orcus himself on his home turf, Thanatos) or the foci (in the demi-planes).  I think that's fairly reasonable.  The trouble comes for them due to the fact that Orcus himself is too strong.  Now if he was willing to make a deal with Grazz't or something to stage a coordinated attack on Orcus, Grazz't would be likely to accept something like that, and they stand a decent chance of disrupting him--it's a neat idea too...but that's Associating with Evil much more than Anyiel's dinner date anyway.Ah, I think there's a crucial point you're missing then--my apologies.  The Paladin knows that they accepted the dinner date already or refused, since he was there when the party first contacted Anyiel and made the decision, and they certainly took his input on it.  So if he says "I'll never go!" and they say "Okay, but we're going to tell her you will.  You go kill demons instead.  And do you have any armour and capes in Trechor the Rogue's size?" he would know <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  If they somehow managed to keep him legitimately oblivious, of course he wouldn't disown them for it afterwards.  He would shake his head at the consorting (because I assume this is your Paladin who thinks that kind of dinner date is an instant Fall from Grace action) but admit that they got the job done.Yup, I completely agree.  To phrase it another way: No matter how perfectly you think you play your Paladin, you may fall if your GM has a different view on Paladins or even if they have the same view on Paladins and a different view on something else tangential in the campaign!  For instance, I would make the Paladin fall if he went to dinner with Anyiel and then decapitated her after getting his info.  I would not make him fall for going to dinner and getting the info and then leaving.  Some GMs are just the opposite.  And it pays to have a dialogue to figure out if you're on the same page.</blockquote>

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