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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Matthias" data-source="post: 6133112" data-attributes="member: 3625">I agree with your assessment that "paladinhood" as a niche should and can be more inclusive without destroying the integrity of the game or the class concept.Not long ago, I come up with four paladin derivative classes which expands on the stock paladin and the pathfinder antipaladin alt-class. Please feel free to try them out.<a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pls7?Homebrew-paladin-derivatives" target="_blank">http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pls7?Homebrew-paladin-derivatives</a>Here is the LG Paragon (which replaces the standard PC class), the CG Crusader, the LE Blackguard, and the CE Renegade (which replaces the alternate class from Advanced Player's Guide).While the Paragon and Crusader are identical in some areas such as HD, BAB, and save progressions, there are certain differences (mainly law/chaos  based) in their class skills, features, and spells.Furthermore, the term "paladin" is more abstract, encompassing both the Paragon and Crusader classes, but remains synonymous with "holy warrior". Whatever does anything for or is useful to a paladin works for both the Paragon and Crusder except for law/chaos alignment differences. While  lawful good items such as Holy Avengers are only for Paragons, these rules assume it's equally possible to find or create chaotic good variants for Crusaders.The same principles apply to the "antipaladins", Blackguards and Renegades. So a holy warrior of Cayden Cailean would probably be a Crusader rather than a Paragon. An unholy warrior of Asmodeus would be a Blackguard. Deities who are NG or NE probably have followers of both paladin or antipaladin classes, respectively.Someone suggested there ought to be a true-neutral derivative. Deities such as Nethys and Pharasma would probably have some kind of "militant defender of balance/apathy". it's difficult to picture what such a class would look like, but I think it would differentiate itself quite strongly from the other four derivatives, since they are all based on alignment extremes.</blockquote>

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