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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 1794806" data-attributes="member: 2209">I should also point out that I think there is a sufficient niche for the paladin class, although I would discard the code and ex-paladin stuff.Clerics are divine spellcasters.Paladins are fighters with powers, I like their smites and protections and cures and turning, but not their very minor spells. That is a niche that is distinct from fighters as pure non-supernatural warriors and distinct from clerics as top tier divine spellcasters.Now Paladin in this niche is not necessarily the heroic ideal or even good and clerics as written are arguably better at filling this niche if you don't mind considering spells as powers, since clerics have the heavy armor, OK combat class aspects and martial oriented powerful spells that can pump them up to massive combat heights.</blockquote>