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<blockquote data-quote="VonRichthofen" data-source="post: 3311261" data-attributes="member: 49184"><p>Concerning buckler: As long as it is non-magical, it is not that great a trade-off. (1:1)</p><p></p><p>But as soon as you can get enchanted baubles, it begins to pay off.</p><p></p><p>A +5 armor will cost you the same as a +4 armor and a +3 buckler (sparing the cost for a masterwork buckler, but gah...)</p><p></p><p>Your net gain will then be +3 to AC for a -1 to hit - to me, this sounds about right.</p><p></p><p>And you can easily add 4-6 extra points of AC with Divine Shield at high levels. </p><p></p><p>I don't think Battle Sorcerer is a great idea, you'll take a hit on your BAB, you'd have to ditch medium/heavy armor for the time being (or invest in yet another feat, Battlecaster & go for mithral plate), and your caster level will stink.</p><p></p><p>Even 4 levels of Battle Scorcerer will net you two 1st level spells and one 2nd level spell known - oh well.</p><p></p><p>And all your level-dependend pally abilities will suffer.</p><p></p><p>I'd rather aim for Paladin 10/Templar 10, if you can somehow convinvce your DM that a greatsword is an appropriate weapon to defend the cause of your god.</p><p></p><p>Feats of choice would be Divine Shield, Divine Favor, Improved Buckler Defense & Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing)</p><p></p><p>You'd be in for 8 smites/day at level 20 (for +60 damage each with Charging Smite!), your Will save would be about okay (base +10 + Wis bonus + divine grace + magic), you'd be in for a +3 to hit/+4 to damage with your greatsword, DR 2/-, Mettle, and, providing you can get your Wis to 14, you'd have pally spells 2/2 (CL 5) and 3/3/2/1 (CL 10) - not huge, but still very nice.</p><p></p><p>IF you keep using the pre-erratum Divine Favor variant, you might also ditch Improved Buckler Defense & Divine Shield for Practiced Spellcaster & Improved Critical, for a more offensive bend - Your PT casting would end up CL 14 - not too shabby if you have spells like Divine Favor, Divine Sacrifice, Rhino's Rush (1st); Eagle's Splendor, Strength of Stone (2nd); Find the Gap, Righteous Fury (3rd); or Draconic Might & Holy Sword (4th). </p><p>(Some of them might not be in the books you are allowed, but you get the idea.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VonRichthofen, post: 3311261, member: 49184"] Concerning buckler: As long as it is non-magical, it is not that great a trade-off. (1:1) But as soon as you can get enchanted baubles, it begins to pay off. A +5 armor will cost you the same as a +4 armor and a +3 buckler (sparing the cost for a masterwork buckler, but gah...) Your net gain will then be +3 to AC for a -1 to hit - to me, this sounds about right. And you can easily add 4-6 extra points of AC with Divine Shield at high levels. I don't think Battle Sorcerer is a great idea, you'll take a hit on your BAB, you'd have to ditch medium/heavy armor for the time being (or invest in yet another feat, Battlecaster & go for mithral plate), and your caster level will stink. Even 4 levels of Battle Scorcerer will net you two 1st level spells and one 2nd level spell known - oh well. And all your level-dependend pally abilities will suffer. I'd rather aim for Paladin 10/Templar 10, if you can somehow convinvce your DM that a greatsword is an appropriate weapon to defend the cause of your god. Feats of choice would be Divine Shield, Divine Favor, Improved Buckler Defense & Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing) You'd be in for 8 smites/day at level 20 (for +60 damage each with Charging Smite!), your Will save would be about okay (base +10 + Wis bonus + divine grace + magic), you'd be in for a +3 to hit/+4 to damage with your greatsword, DR 2/-, Mettle, and, providing you can get your Wis to 14, you'd have pally spells 2/2 (CL 5) and 3/3/2/1 (CL 10) - not huge, but still very nice. IF you keep using the pre-erratum Divine Favor variant, you might also ditch Improved Buckler Defense & Divine Shield for Practiced Spellcaster & Improved Critical, for a more offensive bend - Your PT casting would end up CL 14 - not too shabby if you have spells like Divine Favor, Divine Sacrifice, Rhino's Rush (1st); Eagle's Splendor, Strength of Stone (2nd); Find the Gap, Righteous Fury (3rd); or Draconic Might & Holy Sword (4th). (Some of them might not be in the books you are allowed, but you get the idea.) [/QUOTE]
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