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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 2108601" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>I'm with you here.I don't think anyone actually wants that. However, wanting that is an accusation commonly leveled at me.Krieg, you're a difficult person to argue with because you don't demonstrate why my arguments are wrong. You just reassert positions that I have already demonstrated to be incorrect. Also, you're now arguing that to make the monk fit you should force the character to multiclass. Wouldn't it be easier to just design a prestige class or core class that met your needs and actually fit with your setting? I don't really comprehend why you are starting with an a priori assumption that every class in the core must be included in every campaign. Also, you continue to refuse to answer the question I keep asking; so I'll ask it again: why is it so important to demonstrate that the Monk archetype exists in the Western tradition?I'm happy to concede this point; the way I handle that problem, on the rare occasions I use the class, is by applying the unarmed damage progression to all weapons with which the monk has proficiency. I'm also in accord with the other things you say in your post.</p></blockquote><p></p>