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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chimera" data-source="post: 2109219" data-attributes="member: 2002">You know, I very much dislike it when people offer no proof for their own positions, but on the other hand insist that I provide proof and cite for everything I say.  You've taken a number of positions that I could easily demand cite and proof for, but that would only serve to derail the conversation into cites and proofs of minor points.Let's just say that we disagree and move on.Not ignoring it at all.  In fact it is the very basis of my argument that the class would be appealing to Joe Peasant, as in the previous post of giving a choice between learning to be a Fighter or learning to be a Monk.  Once this "knowledge" became available to places beyond where it developed (wherever and for whatever reason, let's move past that), it would be quite attractive to many people (myself for one!).  It is not hard for me to imagine that this class skill would swiftly establish itself in quite a few cultures.Just as you and I (well, 'I' at least, I don't know about you) learn the Martial Arts when we've no real reason to be using them.Ah, but again, that's based on D&D = Europe.  When you add in the cultures of other races (especially long living or deeply wierd ones), existance of Magic and Psionics, it seems very unlikely to me that the culture of the average D&D world (even the "European styled" part of it) would look or think anything like the proto-typical Medeival European Culture.In other words, it seems to me that the whole notion that "D&D = prototypical Euro culture" is based on a very incomplete and entirely superficial idea that doesn't take a huge number of alternate influences into view.</blockquote>

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