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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 5690002" data-attributes="member: 32740"><p>Q.E.D.</p><p> </p><p>EVERYONE has differing opinions on what it means to be lawful, what it means to be good, what it means to be a paladin, where's the line where you fall from grace, etc... The first meaningful source to define it/ explain it all for a player is the DM of their game. You don't necessarily even have to agree with the definitions they present but you can't just assume that you personally have it all figured out and then expect the DM (or for the DM to expect the players) to agree. And it's foolish to wait until it's a problem for the two sides to start discussing it - it needs to be sorted right from the start. Frankly there just is no By-The-Book on this topic. There's only what any one individual THINKS it should be.</p><p> </p><p>We can argue our various perspectives until we are knee-deep in beaten-dead-horse gore and it will still be irrelevant for any given player and DM. they have to talk to each other and come to a mutual agreement or at least understanding and tolerance of their positions. A lot of people whom I'd otherwise agree with in this thread still state details which I personally would have issues with. If I were a player in their game and had NOT gotten the bottom line with any of them it seems almost certain that at some point the game would come to a screeching halt due to disagreements even on relatively minor points.</p><p> </p><p>I'd post my thoughts and conclusions on the whole topic in detail if I thought it would add anything or people were genuinely interested, but I'd still have to preface it with, "Even though I think this is the right way to go about it I don't expect others to actually agree with me - <em>check with your DM, speak with your players</em>." Better, faster, more reliable than a hundred articles or a dozen threads on the subject.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 5690002, member: 32740"] Q.E.D. EVERYONE has differing opinions on what it means to be lawful, what it means to be good, what it means to be a paladin, where's the line where you fall from grace, etc... The first meaningful source to define it/ explain it all for a player is the DM of their game. You don't necessarily even have to agree with the definitions they present but you can't just assume that you personally have it all figured out and then expect the DM (or for the DM to expect the players) to agree. And it's foolish to wait until it's a problem for the two sides to start discussing it - it needs to be sorted right from the start. Frankly there just is no By-The-Book on this topic. There's only what any one individual THINKS it should be. We can argue our various perspectives until we are knee-deep in beaten-dead-horse gore and it will still be irrelevant for any given player and DM. they have to talk to each other and come to a mutual agreement or at least understanding and tolerance of their positions. A lot of people whom I'd otherwise agree with in this thread still state details which I personally would have issues with. If I were a player in their game and had NOT gotten the bottom line with any of them it seems almost certain that at some point the game would come to a screeching halt due to disagreements even on relatively minor points. I'd post my thoughts and conclusions on the whole topic in detail if I thought it would add anything or people were genuinely interested, but I'd still have to preface it with, "Even though I think this is the right way to go about it I don't expect others to actually agree with me - [I]check with your DM, speak with your players[/I]." Better, faster, more reliable than a hundred articles or a dozen threads on the subject. [/QUOTE]
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