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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7819661" data-attributes="member: 7006">For me its a simple roleplaying exercise.&nbsp; Does the paladin have a code of conduct based upon what they've sworn an oath to?&nbsp; Great.&nbsp; Then if at some point the paladin acts against that code of conduct for whatever reason (willingly, unwillingly, knowingly, unknowingly)... how does the paladin FEEL about it afterwards?&nbsp; Any player worth their salt will know exactly how their paladin character felt about going against their oath, and if there is any guilt there, then the paladin acknowledges their mistake, feels guilty about it, and the character will WANT to atone for it no matter how difficult that atonement might be.&nbsp; If the paladin is truly the noble knight they say they are... they will want to legitimately atone and thus will not fracture their oath completely.&nbsp; Breaks can heal with proper treatment, the paladin just has to want to allow the healing process to proceed.But if the player chooses not to have their paladin feel regret or remorse for what they did, and in fact would do it again if given the chance... then yes, obviously then they have broken their oath and the player should WANT to switch to the oathbreaker subclass because it makes sense for the character's story.Joe Manginello wasn't forced by his DM to switch Arkhan's subclass to oathbreaker because of what Arkhan did... Joe made the character choice to do it himself.&nbsp; Because that is what he believed Arkhan believed.&nbsp; Arkhan willingly swore allegiance to Tiamat thereby not atoning for whatever his original oath was to.&nbsp; And thus the paladin &quot;fell&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7819661, member: 7006"] For me its a simple roleplaying exercise. Does the paladin have a code of conduct based upon what they've sworn an oath to? Great. Then if at some point the paladin acts against that code of conduct for whatever reason (willingly, unwillingly, knowingly, unknowingly)... how does the paladin FEEL about it afterwards? Any player worth their salt will know exactly how their paladin character felt about going against their oath, and if there is any guilt there, then the paladin acknowledges their mistake, feels guilty about it, and the character will WANT to atone for it no matter how difficult that atonement might be. If the paladin is truly the noble knight they say they are... they will want to legitimately atone and thus will not fracture their oath completely. Breaks can heal with proper treatment, the paladin just has to want to allow the healing process to proceed. But if the player chooses not to have their paladin feel regret or remorse for what they did, and in fact would do it again if given the chance... then yes, obviously then they have broken their oath and the player should WANT to switch to the oathbreaker subclass because it makes sense for the character's story. Joe Manginello wasn't forced by his DM to switch Arkhan's subclass to oathbreaker because of what Arkhan did... Joe made the character choice to do it himself. Because that is what he believed Arkhan believed. Arkhan willingly swore allegiance to Tiamat thereby not atoning for whatever his original oath was to. And thus the paladin "fell". [/QUOTE]

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