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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 7820749" data-attributes="member: 53980">As I originally stated, I do not in any way advocate the style of DMing that would lead to a scene like the one I proposed with Asmodeus. It was proposed for illustration and consideration purposes only. In my opinion, if the DM were to put a paladin in this type of unwinnable scenario, a deus ex machina would be entirely fair. As I stated in the other thread, the only time I use deus ex machina myself is to fix a serious mistake that I made as a DM. I consider putting a character in this particular situation to be such a mistake.That said, from the horror stories I've heard over the years, that sort of intervention would be unlikely in this situation, generally speaking. From what I've gathered, the situation is oftentimes seemingly put there not to be a test of the paladin's virtue, but rather to force them to make an impossible decision (or even to outright force them to fall). Getting rescued by divine intervention runs counter to that goal. It is not the sort of DMing that I endorse whatsoever, but it does happen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 7820749, member: 53980"] As I originally stated, I do not in any way advocate the style of DMing that would lead to a scene like the one I proposed with Asmodeus. It was proposed for illustration and consideration purposes only. In my opinion, if the DM were to put a paladin in this type of unwinnable scenario, a deus ex machina would be entirely fair. As I stated in the other thread, the only time I use deus ex machina myself is to fix a serious mistake that I made as a DM. I consider putting a character in this particular situation to be such a mistake. That said, from the horror stories I've heard over the years, that sort of intervention would be unlikely in this situation, generally speaking. From what I've gathered, the situation is oftentimes seemingly put there not to be a test of the paladin's virtue, but rather to force them to make an impossible decision (or even to outright force them to fall). Getting rescued by divine intervention runs counter to that goal. It is not the sort of DMing that I endorse whatsoever, but it does happen. [/QUOTE]

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