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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7823071" data-attributes="member: 23751">No.&nbsp; This isn't about risk for a paladin.&nbsp; It's about certain death.&nbsp; Certain for either him or Susie.&nbsp; Lawful stupid says the paladin should kill himself if the bad guy threatens to cut Susie's throat if he doesn't.&nbsp; Lawful stupid says that the paladin should attack a dragon that will kill him, just so that he can die uselessly along side an NPC, risking the entire world in the process.&nbsp; You're confused about the two scenarios floating around the thread.#1: An unbeatable dragon is going to kill an NPC and eat him.&nbsp; The dragon says the paladin can live to save the world if he gives up the NPC he is carrying.&nbsp; The only choice the paladin has is to die uselessly and the NPC gets eaten anyway, or live and try to save the world.&nbsp; It's suicide to resist.#2: Because villains know that paladins will suicide easily due to lawful stupid, they would simply threaten to kill an innocent if the paladin doesn't off himself.&nbsp; The paladin has no chance to stop little Susie from dying.&nbsp; The villain has the knife(or whatever) to her little 1 hit point throat and she is dead if he so much as twitches.&nbsp; While the paladin might be able to beat the villain, Susie will die before he can and that would cause a fall from grace.&nbsp; The only way to save her is to kill himself.The paladin has no shot.&nbsp; He knows it.&nbsp; And more importantly, the lawful stupid you guys say is inherent in paladins means that the villain knows it.&nbsp; The villain knows the paladin will not act against him, because little Susie's corpse will be the result.&nbsp; The villain also knows that if he gives an ultimatum that he's going to kill little Susie in 30 seconds if the paladin is still alive, means that the paladin has to lawful stupid himself to death to keep her alive.&nbsp; Lawful stupid = no risk to the villain, and certain death for the paladin.It's lawful..........stupid.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7823071, member: 23751"] No. This isn't about risk for a paladin. It's about certain death. Certain for either him or Susie. Lawful stupid says the paladin should kill himself if the bad guy threatens to cut Susie's throat if he doesn't. Lawful stupid says that the paladin should attack a dragon that will kill him, just so that he can die uselessly along side an NPC, risking the entire world in the process. You're confused about the two scenarios floating around the thread. #1: An unbeatable dragon is going to kill an NPC and eat him. The dragon says the paladin can live to save the world if he gives up the NPC he is carrying. The only choice the paladin has is to die uselessly and the NPC gets eaten anyway, or live and try to save the world. It's suicide to resist. #2: Because villains know that paladins will suicide easily due to lawful stupid, they would simply threaten to kill an innocent if the paladin doesn't off himself. The paladin has no chance to stop little Susie from dying. The villain has the knife(or whatever) to her little 1 hit point throat and she is dead if he so much as twitches. While the paladin might be able to beat the villain, Susie will die before he can and that would cause a fall from grace. The only way to save her is to kill himself. The paladin has no shot. He knows it. And more importantly, the lawful stupid you guys say is inherent in paladins means that the villain knows it. The villain knows the paladin will not act against him, because little Susie's corpse will be the result. The villain also knows that if he gives an ultimatum that he's going to kill little Susie in 30 seconds if the paladin is still alive, means that the paladin has to lawful stupid himself to death to keep her alive. Lawful stupid = no risk to the villain, and certain death for the paladin. It's lawful..........[B]stupid[/B]. [/QUOTE]

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