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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7824613" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Let's take a scenario.&nbsp; The BBEG [USER=6799753]@lowkey13[/USER] pushes a paladin off a cliff.&nbsp; The paladin falls on top of an innocent child.&nbsp; The paladin survives, the child is dead.&nbsp; The paladin saw the child but didn't have wings or some other way of stopping their fall. I see no way that the paladin was responsible for an evil act.The difference is being in responsible for and in control of your own actions, making a choice to act, not having the action forced upon you.&nbsp; The only one responsible for the evil was, as usual, Lowkey13.&nbsp; The paladin may still want to talk to someone, while they didn't commit an evil act, they were still effectively used as a tool of evil.In this case, the paladin literally could do nothing.&nbsp; But let's say our BBEG was a lawyer and nattering on about various sections of law, quoting arcane sections of legal code and describing the difference between copyright and trademark.&nbsp; Unable to bear it any more, the paladin throws himself off a cliff in a desperate attempt to escape.If he had no chance to see the child before he leaped I would say this is still not an evil act.&nbsp; He did choose to leap, but did not understand the full consequence.What if he just didn't think to look?&nbsp; There wasn't any reason to think there would be a child at the bottom.&nbsp; If he had looked, he may or may not have seen the child (it's a high cliff, but the paladin has a lot of HP).&nbsp; There was no reason to think there would be an innocent child at the bottom of this very cliff.This is a gray area to me.&nbsp; Yes, the paladin in theory could have not killed the child but the question become would a reasonable person look before leaping?&nbsp; Was there any hint whatsoever that there could be someone down there?&nbsp; I can absolutely see the paladin needing to do absolution - even if it wasn't evil it should haunt anyone with a conscience.If the paladin leaped knowing the child was there, that is much more serious IMHO.&nbsp; Then of course you get into the trolley car problem, how much do you have to risk to save others, so on and so forth.&nbsp; Issues that have been debated by philosophers for millennia.But ultimate conclusion?&nbsp; Sometimes there is no clear answer, just opinion.&nbsp; Oh, and lawyers are evil.&nbsp; Or something.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7824613, member: 6801845"] Let's take a scenario. The BBEG [USER=6799753]@lowkey13[/USER] pushes a paladin off a cliff. The paladin falls on top of an innocent child. The paladin survives, the child is dead. The paladin saw the child but didn't have wings or some other way of stopping their fall. I see no way that the paladin was responsible for an evil act. The difference is being in responsible for and in control of your own actions, making a choice to act, not having the action forced upon you. The only one responsible for the evil was, as usual, Lowkey13. The paladin may still want to talk to someone, while they didn't commit an evil act, they were still effectively used as a tool of evil. In this case, the paladin literally could do nothing. But let's say our BBEG was a lawyer and nattering on about various sections of law, quoting arcane sections of legal code and describing the difference between copyright and trademark. Unable to bear it any more, the paladin throws himself off a cliff in a desperate attempt to escape. If he had no chance to see the child before he leaped I would say this is still not an evil act. He did choose to leap, but did not understand the full consequence. What if he just didn't think to look? There wasn't any reason to think there would be a child at the bottom. If he had looked, he may or may not have seen the child (it's a high cliff, but the paladin has a lot of HP). There was no reason to think there would be an innocent child at the bottom of this very cliff. This is a gray area to me. Yes, the paladin in theory could have not killed the child but the question become would a reasonable person look before leaping? Was there any hint whatsoever that there could be someone down there? I can absolutely see the paladin needing to do absolution - even if it wasn't evil it should haunt anyone with a conscience. If the paladin leaped knowing the child was there, that is much more serious IMHO. Then of course you get into the trolley car problem, how much do you have to risk to save others, so on and so forth. Issues that have been debated by philosophers for millennia. But ultimate conclusion? Sometimes there is no clear answer, just opinion. Oh, and lawyers are evil. Or something. [/QUOTE]

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