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Paladin should kill the Warlord and take his stuff!
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<blockquote data-quote="Ximenes088" data-source="post: 4032324" data-attributes="member: 59899"><p>Personally, I can think of dozens of different ways a warlord could buff his party without giving verbal orders, and I suspect anyone else charitably inclined towards the basic concept could easily do as much. If you're not willing to buy into the basic idea of a party member who specializes in coordinating and optimizing the rest of the group's abilities, however, you're not going to find the warlord a coherent class concept.</p><p></p><p>We've already seen that the warlord has the ability to grant certain kinds of free actions to his teammates. For "Feather Me Yon Oaf", he gives everybody a chance to get a free missile attack off. If you want to be uncharitable, you can complain that this means he's ordering the whole party to drop what they're doing and shoot. Somebody more friendly to the concept might just say that due to his superior tactical awareness, the warlord realizes at that moment that the whole party is perfectly positioned to get a bowshot off if the warlord draws the bad guy's attention with a shout, flourish, feint, or Heroic Pose of Awesomeness. Same ability, different interpretations.</p><p></p><p>It does seem to me that if your party is composed of such maverick individualists as would take umbrage at somebody knocking an enemy's shield out of position, be offended at the way monsters hesitate before the warlord's Heroic Presence, or get their noses out of joint at the warlord distracting that bugbear at the perfect time to slip a knife in, then your party's problems extend further than WotC's class conceptions. A party of rabid individualists is not going to accommodate a concept based on teamwork, whether it comes in Martial or Divine flavors.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ximenes088, post: 4032324, member: 59899"] Personally, I can think of dozens of different ways a warlord could buff his party without giving verbal orders, and I suspect anyone else charitably inclined towards the basic concept could easily do as much. If you're not willing to buy into the basic idea of a party member who specializes in coordinating and optimizing the rest of the group's abilities, however, you're not going to find the warlord a coherent class concept. We've already seen that the warlord has the ability to grant certain kinds of free actions to his teammates. For "Feather Me Yon Oaf", he gives everybody a chance to get a free missile attack off. If you want to be uncharitable, you can complain that this means he's ordering the whole party to drop what they're doing and shoot. Somebody more friendly to the concept might just say that due to his superior tactical awareness, the warlord realizes at that moment that the whole party is perfectly positioned to get a bowshot off if the warlord draws the bad guy's attention with a shout, flourish, feint, or Heroic Pose of Awesomeness. Same ability, different interpretations. It does seem to me that if your party is composed of such maverick individualists as would take umbrage at somebody knocking an enemy's shield out of position, be offended at the way monsters hesitate before the warlord's Heroic Presence, or get their noses out of joint at the warlord distracting that bugbear at the perfect time to slip a knife in, then your party's problems extend further than WotC's class conceptions. A party of rabid individualists is not going to accommodate a concept based on teamwork, whether it comes in Martial or Divine flavors. [/QUOTE]
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