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<blockquote data-quote="genshou" data-source="post: 2761738" data-attributes="member: 13164">The concept that a Paladin isn't a real Paladin unless they've had to atone is steeped in fallacy.&nbsp; &quot;Better to ask forgiveness after the fact than permission before&quot; is NOT a teaching of any real-world religion from which the Paladin concept may have been derived.&nbsp; A soul is always stronger who remains faithful no matter what happens (here I think of Job).And Adam isn't the best choice of someone to refer to as a &quot;common mortal man&quot;, according to the Bible he was/is a prophet of God.&nbsp; That should put Adam a bit above a &quot;common mortal man&quot; when it comes to how close his soul is to his god.&nbsp; I'd say prophets were a cut above the common mold, but saying that is so &quot;because God made them to be that way&quot; doesn't make as much sense to me.&nbsp; Paladins are those who have taken up a life of self-sacrifice in order to do their god's will, not for self-benefit but for the benefit of their fellow sentients.&nbsp; instead of saying that their souls were &quot;crafted&quot; or &quot;forged&quot; by their gods specifically for that purpose, perhaps they are just the virtuous among the virtuous, the most pious of the pious, and that is why they are chosen to become Paladins when others might just be Lawful Good Fighters.Anywhere, there's my late entry of 2cp, which at the current going rate amounts to enough to buy half a torch.&nbsp; If it's on sale.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="genshou, post: 2761738, member: 13164"] The concept that a Paladin isn't a [I]real[/I] Paladin unless they've had to [I]atone[/I] is steeped in fallacy. "Better to ask forgiveness after the fact than permission before" is NOT a teaching of any real-world religion from which the Paladin concept may have been derived. A soul is always stronger who remains faithful no matter what happens (here I think of Job). And Adam isn't the best choice of someone to refer to as a "common mortal man", according to the Bible he was/is a prophet of God. That should put Adam a bit above a "common mortal man" when it comes to how close his soul is to his god. I'd say prophets were a cut above the common mold, but saying that is so "because God made them to be that way" doesn't make as much sense to me. Paladins are those who have taken up a life of self-sacrifice in order to do their god's will, not for self-benefit but for the benefit of their fellow sentients. instead of saying that their souls were "crafted" or "forged" by their gods specifically for that purpose, perhaps they are just the virtuous among the virtuous, the most pious of the pious, and that is why they are chosen to become Paladins when others might just be Lawful Good Fighters. Anywhere, there's my late entry of 2cp, which at the current going rate amounts to enough to buy half a torch. If it's on sale. [/QUOTE]

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