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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1091968" data-attributes="member: 1194">Actually, from a mechanic point of view, I think it's way too attractive to just go fighter/cleric instead of Paladin (if your character idea is to kick ass in combat).A Paladin only gets a few offensive capabilities - Turn Undead, Smite, Special Mount and spells.We've already discussed Turn Undead, and how weak it is.Smite is way too weak. One attack a day (2 thru 9th level) just doesn't cut it. (Plus, if you use Relics & Rituals, the Smite spell marginalizes the Paladin's)Special Mount is problematic, and dependant on being high level for great use.Spells a cleric gets WAY better.The main problem with the paladin, I'm realizing, is that the abilities above 3rd are underpowered.Weak Turn Undead, paltry spells (at 1/2 caster level), a few HP/level of curing (Lay on Hands), 1/5th of an extra Smite and a special mount just don't cut it for me anymore. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> I (and others, from the recent Paladin thread) want a more powerful paladin class. Either that, or the paladin should get a VIABLE PrC that addresses the main abilities and increases a Paladin's effective power level. Up thru now, no WotC PrC has done so.*plink plink*</blockquote>