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Message: <blockquote data-quote="werecorpse" data-source="post: 7448444" data-attributes="member: 55491">Oofta, Always interested in hearing what works for other groups - fine if what works is RAW. If you don't mind, what level is your group and how many characters in the party ?I always talk to my players about this stuff, possibly too much as they usually have the attitude "you just work out what's reasonable and we'll play that."In my very slow advance group (so expected to be a long campaign) at 5th the player of the eldritch knight character has dumped him and replaced it with a paladin of the ancients and the barbarian player is the only other player contemplating changing characters.I also am running a normal advance XP group which is at 4th ATM and just had a tpk so all new characters. One of the players is going to try playing a heavily nerfed paladin to see how it goes. I have removed everything gained from the oath replaced it with giving a channel divinity at 3rd which is identical to the cleric one based on their religion, reduced smite to useable only 1/short rest and changed the 6th level power to just effecting one save as chosen by the player at the end of a long rest. He was going to play a battlemaster and says that getting 20 points lay on hands a channel divinity and a few paladin spells seems like a decent exchange for what he has given up. It's an experiment so we will see.</blockquote>