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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 911039" data-attributes="member: 545">&quot;Might win&quot; as in &quot;might get lucky rolls&quot;.&nbsp; (I am talking about no mount involved in the battle.)People who have not played a paladin often underestimate what a tight stat bind paladins are in.&nbsp; Let's look at a 25 point buy paladin and a melee specialist cleric using the DMG default stats for NPCs:Paladin&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cleric15 Cha&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15 Str14 Str&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14 Con13 Con&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 13 Wis12 Wis&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 12 Dex10 Dex&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10 Cha8 Int&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8 IntThe only inherent abilities a paladin has going for them over a cleric one on one is a slightly higher BAB, a few extra HPs, and Smite Evil.&nbsp; The BAB and HP difference will effectively vanish if the cleric has better Str, Con, and AC.&nbsp; And, of course, War Clerics get Weapon Focus as well.The paladin and a fighting cleric are very evenly matched if we assume the cleric doesn't cast any spells.&nbsp; Obviously that is pretty artificial handicap.Having said that, there are a few tricks that can give the paladin the edge:(1) Special mount(2) Leadership feat(3) Lance attack Power Critical smackdown(4) Divine Might &amp; Divine Shield smackdownThe last two options require a 12th level paladin who has dedicated her career (feats) to pursuing that specialized fighting style.&nbsp; Of course at that level of power, we might pause to consider that the cleric might actually cast a few spells.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 911039, member: 545"] "Might win" as in "might get lucky rolls". (I am talking about no mount involved in the battle.) People who have not played a paladin often underestimate what a tight stat bind paladins are in. Let's look at a 25 point buy paladin and a melee specialist cleric using the DMG default stats for NPCs: Paladin Cleric 15 Cha 15 Str 14 Str 14 Con 13 Con 13 Wis 12 Wis 12 Dex 10 Dex 10 Cha 8 Int 8 Int The only inherent abilities a paladin has going for them over a cleric one on one is a slightly higher BAB, a few extra HPs, and Smite Evil. The BAB and HP difference will effectively vanish if the cleric has better Str, Con, and AC. And, of course, War Clerics get Weapon Focus as well. The paladin and a fighting cleric are very evenly matched [i]if we assume the cleric doesn't cast any spells[/i]. Obviously that is pretty artificial handicap. Having said that, there are a few tricks that can give the paladin the edge: (1) Special mount (2) Leadership feat (3) Lance attack Power Critical smackdown (4) Divine Might & Divine Shield smackdown The last two options require a 12th level paladin who has dedicated her career (feats) to pursuing that specialized fighting style. Of course at that level of power, we might pause to consider that the cleric might actually cast a few spells. [/QUOTE]

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