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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 913231" data-attributes="member: 6239">Ridley's Cohort, you miss the point.&nbsp; Both Alhandra and Jozan were designed to be general members of a party.&nbsp; If you want to get into one-upmanship, this disscussion can go nowhere.&nbsp; The iconic characters are a good basis free of external constraints.&nbsp; Clerics you focus on beating things are not clerics in general.&nbsp; The published Iconics are free of my or your bias.Now, if you believe I made some tatical errors in evaluating the fight, that is a different matter.&nbsp; To your specific points:Jozan, cleric of Palor, domains of Good and Healing.&nbsp; I didn't forget about domains, they just weren't that relevant.&nbsp; Alhandra's mount was relevant.&nbsp; I did make a tatical error, as the horse can attack as well as Alhandra.Optimizing for melee is an exersize in powergaming.&nbsp; I am trying to specifically make this an impartial compareson, hence published PCs.Alhandra had the wand listed as equipment, where Jozan didn't.&nbsp; Jozan has his daily spells to use.&nbsp; I didn't make these characters, which is why this is an impartial combat.That isn't impartial.Changing AC by a few points could make a difference in the long run.&nbsp; Boosting constitution by 4 would yield 10 hp.&nbsp; Equipment is a big part of a character.I don't know if 5/6 is optimal for Alhandra.&nbsp; Jozan just got 3rd level spells.&nbsp; If he had travel domain, he could fly out of reach of Alhandra and hightened hold person/searing light.&nbsp; Alhandra's mount didn't make a big difference in this case, but it could have been used to flank.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 913231, member: 6239"] Ridley's Cohort, you miss the point. Both Alhandra and Jozan were designed to be general members of a party. If you want to get into one-upmanship, this disscussion can go nowhere. The iconic characters are a good basis free of external constraints. Clerics you focus on beating things are not clerics in general. The published Iconics are free of my or your bias. Now, if you believe I made some tatical errors in evaluating the fight, that is a different matter. To your specific points: Jozan, cleric of Palor, domains of Good and Healing. I didn't forget about domains, they just weren't that relevant. Alhandra's mount was relevant. I did make a tatical error, as the horse can attack as well as Alhandra. Optimizing for melee is an exersize in powergaming. I am trying to specifically make this an impartial compareson, hence published PCs. Alhandra had the wand listed as equipment, where Jozan didn't. Jozan has his daily spells to use. I didn't make these characters, which is why this is an impartial combat. That isn't impartial. Changing AC by a few points could make a difference in the long run. Boosting constitution by 4 would yield 10 hp. Equipment is a big part of a character. I don't know if 5/6 is optimal for Alhandra. Jozan just got 3rd level spells. If he had travel domain, he could fly out of reach of Alhandra and hightened hold person/searing light. Alhandra's mount didn't make a big difference in this case, but it could have been used to flank. [/QUOTE]

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