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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 913529" data-attributes="member: 545">I will grant you that an iconic cleric that fights like a grunt will probably lose to an iconic character optimized for that style -- at least until we start seeing higher level spells.  It is really quite a close match at levels 1-7.  IMO the cleric's spellpower will overwhelm the paladin for levels 8+.I think you are overestimating the value of the difference in BAB except at levels 6 & 7 where the cleric does not yet have an iterative attack.  The cleric has so many ways of countering a modest AB difference it is not even worth listing them all.To my mind, you are not quite fulfilling the spirit of the original posters query regarding two "well designed" characters.  I think we can agree to disagree on that point though.</blockquote>