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<blockquote data-quote="Elphilm" data-source="post: 3813273" data-attributes="member: 55130"><p>Hi Arkhandus!</p><p></p><p>I think "zealot" goes too far with its negative connotations. I can't even think of a single example in modern English where the word would have a positive meaning!</p><p></p><p>I agree that giving the class a d10 Hit Die is a lot. However, look at this way; almost all of the spells in the preliminary spell list in post #5 are dreadfully <em>boring.</em> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I've deliberately left all attack spells out of the list because they don't fit into my vision of a divine champion. The condition removal and buffing spells are meant to represent the "passive" side of the class, whereas its combat abilities represent its "active" side. In 4E they are apparently combining the two sides (for example by enabling the cleric to heal party members by striking foes). I doubt I have the talent to design anything similar on my own - nor would I necessarily even want to do that.</p><p></p><p>The class is definitely meant for people who like to help out other party members. However, whereas the 3E cleric is also good at damaging enemies with spells, the crusader should also be good at stabbing enemies in the face. I agree that the class is probably stronger than the fighter; however, if you compare the crusader to the cleric I think the cleric wins at every level.</p><p></p><p>The crusader is intended to fully replace both the cleric and the paladin in my campaign. However, I'm still kicking ideas around, and the class is not intended to be finished. That's why I appreciate any comments you have!</p><p></p><p>As for the druid, I've also thought about another combination of classes. I would like to put both the druid and the bard under a single class. Whereas the crusader represents divine (albeit not necessarily holy) warriors, the hypothetical amalgam of the bard and the druid would represent shamanistic loremasters. I'll have to think about that for a while.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elphilm, post: 3813273, member: 55130"] Hi Arkhandus! I think "zealot" goes too far with its negative connotations. I can't even think of a single example in modern English where the word would have a positive meaning! I agree that giving the class a d10 Hit Die is a lot. However, look at this way; almost all of the spells in the preliminary spell list in post #5 are dreadfully [i]boring.[/i] :) I've deliberately left all attack spells out of the list because they don't fit into my vision of a divine champion. The condition removal and buffing spells are meant to represent the "passive" side of the class, whereas its combat abilities represent its "active" side. In 4E they are apparently combining the two sides (for example by enabling the cleric to heal party members by striking foes). I doubt I have the talent to design anything similar on my own - nor would I necessarily even want to do that. The class is definitely meant for people who like to help out other party members. However, whereas the 3E cleric is also good at damaging enemies with spells, the crusader should also be good at stabbing enemies in the face. I agree that the class is probably stronger than the fighter; however, if you compare the crusader to the cleric I think the cleric wins at every level. The crusader is intended to fully replace both the cleric and the paladin in my campaign. However, I'm still kicking ideas around, and the class is not intended to be finished. That's why I appreciate any comments you have! As for the druid, I've also thought about another combination of classes. I would like to put both the druid and the bard under a single class. Whereas the crusader represents divine (albeit not necessarily holy) warriors, the hypothetical amalgam of the bard and the druid would represent shamanistic loremasters. I'll have to think about that for a while. [/QUOTE]
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