Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Paladins and alignment
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4233899" data-attributes="member: 62560"><p>I accept your challenge. Let's see what we can find.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It looks like this is where the trouble started. Many folks took this to mean "4e paladins aren't necessary(because fighters and clerics fill the role 4e paladins have been given), so they should have been left out." While it doesn't precisely say that, the last sentence takes a bit of an adversarial tone. When people took exception to this, eventually we saw:</p><p></p><p></p><p>This specifically says "If paladins aren't going to be Lawful Good, they shouldn't be a class." This really got people freaking out. It's where the "they're coming to take away our multi-alignment paladins" panic set in. And when it did, well:</p><p></p><p></p><p>The implication that restriction on paladins has to be being Lawful Good rather than any other possible restriction did not sit well with people. And then it moved on to:</p><p></p><p></p><p>which carries an undercurrent of "WotC has broken something that worked fine." Again, something that can raise ire.</p><p></p><p>Did people misinterpret some of your statements? Yes. Oh, yes.</p><p>Did you make some statements that freaked people out? Yes again.</p><p></p><p>In an effort to do something more than just throw fuel on this fire, I'd like to propose a few statements that I think we can all agree on.</p><p></p><p>1. Some people, including ProfessorCirno, would prefer that paladins be required to be Lawful Good.</p><p>2. Some people, including MadMaligor, would prefer that paladins not be required to be Lawful Good.</p><p>3. Whether the word paladin indicates a paragon of virtue depends on which dictionary definition you use.</p><p>4. WotC is using a different dictionary defenition of paladin for 4th edition than they used in 3rd edition.</p><p>5. It is going to be very difficult to determine whether relaxing the alignment restriction for paladins makes a better game until we've seen many paladins of many alignments in play.</p><p></p><p>Can we all agree on these statements? Please?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="theNater, post: 4233899, member: 62560"] I accept your challenge. Let's see what we can find. It looks like this is where the trouble started. Many folks took this to mean "4e paladins aren't necessary(because fighters and clerics fill the role 4e paladins have been given), so they should have been left out." While it doesn't precisely say that, the last sentence takes a bit of an adversarial tone. When people took exception to this, eventually we saw: This specifically says "If paladins aren't going to be Lawful Good, they shouldn't be a class." This really got people freaking out. It's where the "they're coming to take away our multi-alignment paladins" panic set in. And when it did, well: The implication that restriction on paladins has to be being Lawful Good rather than any other possible restriction did not sit well with people. And then it moved on to: which carries an undercurrent of "WotC has broken something that worked fine." Again, something that can raise ire. Did people misinterpret some of your statements? Yes. Oh, yes. Did you make some statements that freaked people out? Yes again. In an effort to do something more than just throw fuel on this fire, I'd like to propose a few statements that I think we can all agree on. 1. Some people, including ProfessorCirno, would prefer that paladins be required to be Lawful Good. 2. Some people, including MadMaligor, would prefer that paladins not be required to be Lawful Good. 3. Whether the word paladin indicates a paragon of virtue depends on which dictionary definition you use. 4. WotC is using a different dictionary defenition of paladin for 4th edition than they used in 3rd edition. 5. It is going to be very difficult to determine whether relaxing the alignment restriction for paladins makes a better game until we've seen many paladins of many alignments in play. Can we all agree on these statements? Please? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Paladins and alignment
Top