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Paladins and Good Aligned Folk In War - Are Orc Children Slain?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 2553115" data-attributes="member: 7624"><p>Maybe, maybe not.</p><p></p><p>I remember reading in Dragonlance Legends trilogy how a young ogre was taken in by a loving human family. The creature was prone to anger but was managable and seemed like it could be raised to be a member of society. </p><p></p><p>Well once the creature hit puberty it got more evil minded until it slit its human "parents" throats while they slept because they had something he wanted. He ended up, I believe, a gladiator in the arena of Istar.</p><p></p><p>It all depends on the assumptions of the DM and the setting. Maybe, even if a race isn't inherently evil it may be inherently mean, cruel, viscious, predatory, etc. Certain dog species and wild animals such as bears can be raised by loving owners and still turn on them killing them brutally for the slightest reason or seemingly for no reason at all. </p><p></p><p>Now, of course we are dealing with creatures of a higher degree of sentience than dogs and bears but all creatures have instincts such as the reproductive urge. These instincts can theoretically be overcome, but only a tiny portion of a given population can ever hope to fully overcome the desire for sex for example. Most who stay celibate never overcome the desire for sex, because it is harwired but they don't act on it (in theory).</p><p></p><p>An argument can be made that creatures like drow, orcs, goblins, ogres have certain instinctive natures that make them naturally more agressive, predatory, cruel, etc. than humans, dwarves or elves. Culture does not merely create character and shape values, it reflects, at least in part, the nature of the species. Read Ken Wilbur's A Brief History of Everything for a good discussion about this.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Chris</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sundragon2012, post: 2553115, member: 7624"] Maybe, maybe not. I remember reading in Dragonlance Legends trilogy how a young ogre was taken in by a loving human family. The creature was prone to anger but was managable and seemed like it could be raised to be a member of society. Well once the creature hit puberty it got more evil minded until it slit its human "parents" throats while they slept because they had something he wanted. He ended up, I believe, a gladiator in the arena of Istar. It all depends on the assumptions of the DM and the setting. Maybe, even if a race isn't inherently evil it may be inherently mean, cruel, viscious, predatory, etc. Certain dog species and wild animals such as bears can be raised by loving owners and still turn on them killing them brutally for the slightest reason or seemingly for no reason at all. Now, of course we are dealing with creatures of a higher degree of sentience than dogs and bears but all creatures have instincts such as the reproductive urge. These instincts can theoretically be overcome, but only a tiny portion of a given population can ever hope to fully overcome the desire for sex for example. Most who stay celibate never overcome the desire for sex, because it is harwired but they don't act on it (in theory). An argument can be made that creatures like drow, orcs, goblins, ogres have certain instinctive natures that make them naturally more agressive, predatory, cruel, etc. than humans, dwarves or elves. Culture does not merely create character and shape values, it reflects, at least in part, the nature of the species. Read Ken Wilbur's A Brief History of Everything for a good discussion about this. Chris [/QUOTE]
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